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What Alabama’s IVF ruling reveals about the ascendant Christian nationalist movement (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Supporters of the idea that the US should be a Christian country have a foothold in politics – and are growing bolder

In the Alabama state supreme court case that dubbed embryos “extrauterine children” and imperiled the future of in vitro fertilization (IVF) in the state, the first reference to the Bible arrives on page 33.

“The principle itself – that human life is fundamentally distinct from other forms of life and cannot be taken intentionally without justification – has deep roots that reach back to the creation of man ‘in the image of God’,” the Alabama supreme court justice Tom Parker wrote in an opinion that concurred with the majority. Attributing the idea to the Book of Genesis, Parker’s opinion continued to cite the Bible as well as such venerable Christian theologians as John Calvin and Thomas Aquinas.

For experts, Parker’s words were a stunningly open embrace of Christian nationalism, or the idea that the United States should be an explicitly Christian country and its laws should reflect that.

“He framed it entirely assuming that the state of Alabama is a theocracy, and that that is a legitimate way of evaluating laws and policies,” said Julie Ingersoll, a University of North Florida professor who studies religion and culture. “It looks like he decided to just dismiss the history of first amendment religious freedom jurisprudence at the federal level, and assume that it just doesn’t apply to Alabama.”

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

See, this sort of thing is where it’s hard to call these people Nazis because the Nazis would have been extremely into IVF as a form of eugenics. And that’s the biggest schism between MAGA’s theofacsim and old school Nazis: the hostility towards intellectualism and knowledge/science and the embrace of ignorance, stupidity, scaffolded on religion. It fuels hate based on something intangible (religious belief rather than science) which is protected as sacrosanct by the First Amendment, can’t be reasoned or argued with or disputed by fact, and is the one and only mental illness not allowed to be called out as one.

And that’s what makes it so much more dangerous than Naziism.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Might wanna double-check your knowledge of theology and Nazism. We're still in the early stages of the third Reich, maybe somewhere around the Beer Hall Putsch: religion was still regarded as a powerful tool to influence useful idiots.

Never forget: "it's a bible."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, no, by no means am I one of those “Nazis were atheists” people. I’m well-aware of their reliance on a sort of perverted Christian nationalism as a sort of mythos, although that got pretty twisted with other gothic and Nordic symbolism as the war and Hitler’s meth addiction waged on… that dude was batshit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

BTB about his drug addiction was one of the most epic exposees I've ever heard

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

After figuring out what BTB (Behind The Ba$tards) stands for, I think it's time for me to check this podcast out. Seems highly praised by a lot of folks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And it doesn't matter how anyone rationalizes any of it .... it's the money, funding and support.

As long as wealthy backers and supporters keep pouring money into this movement, the more prominent it will become.

There are just as many or more political zealots who believe in far left socialism or even full on authoritarian communism.... the only difference is that they don't have the money or support to make a difference or have any influence.

There is one religion that drives all of it .... the all powerful, all inclusive, all influential religion of money.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Um... no?

Nazis were about continuing their genes, the superior genes, and noone else's.

Do I really need to que up the idiocracy clip to show what aggressively rawdogging reds are doing in Alabama?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Do you not know what IVF is or how it works? If you like it explained in movie form, check out Gattaca, and how the Nazis would use it to create the Ubermench.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Whose pussy would Jesus grab?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Mary Magdalene's?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What Alabama's IVF ruling reveals is that conservative governments in the US and elsewhere are steadily gnawing away at separation between church and state.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I feel like if Genesis is the basis for this, it would only make sense to apply it to the age of the universe, evolution, etc. And that is a depressing thought experiment.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

That's what they want. They want the country to be run as if the Bible is accurate and that is also what they want the children to be taught. It's Iran-level shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Christofascism hype in the US..

I prefer anarchy in the UK..

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

“Nazi punks fuck off”

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All you liberals better start thinking about what you'll do if/when Trump wins again. Are you going to be content smugly complaining about how leftists cost Biden the election, while largely being unaffected by the status quo? Or will you react with the urgency your current predictions imply?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My brother and I found out we're eligible for German citizenship (along with my daughter), meaning we can settle anywhere in the EU.

I know the whole "If X wins, I'm leaving the country" thing is common, but I'm Jewish, my daughter is half-Jewish and queer and my wife is a librarian. If Trump gets in, we really don't have a choice but to leave.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You should get on that yesterday as petitioning citizenship through ancestry can take up to several years in most European countries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We have been working on it for about six months. Unfortunately, we didn't know about it before then. We do also have dual US-UK citizenship available to us, which I stupidly have not taken advantage of making official until about then too.

Here's the very weird situation in my family if you're curious. My great-grandfather was English but married a German woman and they lived in Berlin, where my grandfather was born. He married my Grandmother, who was English, and they lived in London, where my father was born. My grandfather became a British subject and you have to renounce your German citizenship if you gain citizenship elsewhere. However, he did so several years after my father, who then emigrated here to the U.S., was born, making my father a de facto German citizen, which would, if we get all the papers together and get through the German bureaucracy, make he and I and my daughter German citizens based on the shit ton of research my brother has done.

We're both unhappy and happy that my father never knew, because he was both Jewish and grew up in London during the Blitz, so he wasn't especially fond of Germans, an unfortunate bigotry he carried to his death (he excepted German Jews because "the Nazis didn't consider them German.") and if he found out he was German, it would have killed him. Or at least he would have ranted about it non-stop for about three years and none of us wanted to deal with that shit. On the other hand, it would have made this whole thing so much easier.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I feel like:

My grandfather forfeited his German citizenship so his family could escape the holocaust

Is a pretty strong case for you to be granted citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Maybe. It was 1936 that he renounced his citizenship, so that may or may not be considered. However, my great-grandmother did own an apartment building with business spaces below it in East Berlin which was confiscated by the Nazis and my grandfather and father spent about a decade trying to get it back after the Berlin Wall fell (they finally did but had to sell it for a very low price because there were price caps due to the poverty in East Berlin) so that might be considered?