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Donald Trump’s lawyers asked a New York judge Friday to suspend an $83.3 million defamation verdict against the former president, saying there was a “strong probability” that it would be reduced on appeal, if not eliminated.

The lawyers made the request in Manhattan federal court, where a civil jury in late January awarded the sum to advice columnist E. Jean Carroll after a five-day trial that focused only on damages. A judge had ordered the jury to accept the findings of another jury that last year concluded Trump sexually abused Carroll in 1996 and defamed her in 2022.

The second jury focused only on statements Trump made in 2019 while he was president in a case long delayed by appeals.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Motherfucker was defaming her again just last week at a rally in Michigan. 83m was obviously not punitive enough. Hope she sues him again.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

She, through her lawyer, already announced they intend to, but as of earlier this week her lawyer said there wasn't quite enough as of yet.

Trump obviously won't leave it alone, though, so knowing her lawyer is looking for it means the next lawsuit is pending.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't defamation require damages? At this point how does Trump saying anything damage her more or less?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

She can't have a normal life. She can't even get groceries be herself without being attacked

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

She's also not a "public person". She has more privacy rights because of it.

And no, she isn't just a "public person" because of the periodic defamation. No court would rule that breaking the law more reduces damages. (Maybe in Alabama?)

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

83^2^ sounds about right. And if they keep going, it keeps getting squared.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As much as I want trump to hurt, don't increase it.

For it to stick permanently, based on supreme Court case law, the amount needs to stay below a particular percentage. (I don't remember the specifics, legal eagle has a good video on this)

So if you wanna hurt the Cheeto, hope it stays below that amount.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Further, they don't have to increase it. Trump already opened his mouth again making disparaging remarks again after the verdict. He create grounds for a third civil suit. E. Jean Carroll can simply file suit for the third case and with a third verdict.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Best way to do it imo

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

whelp... now it's squared again.

(I realize... it'll never happen, but seriously. fuck this guy and his delaying tactics.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t she already suing him a third time?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Her lawyers said "we're watching, we're listening" - so, knowing he who cannot keep his trap shut, we just need to wait.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

is 'strong probability' a legal argument? kinda feels like nonsense

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They need to argue that to get them to suspend it pending appeal. They can't argue for a suspension otherwise. That will get denied, but they've gotta try.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

I think this, just like his NY one, are desperate attempts because he doesn't have the money and cannot find anyone to cover a bond for him. He knows the next step is they start seizing assets, and that's when we find out how over leveraged he is on all his properties.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just a question as a ignorant European. From what I understand he is now a convicted rapist, right? Does that mean he is entered in the sexual offenders database that you have in the states?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No, he was not actually convicted of rape in a criminal court.

So even though a judge has called him a rapist he is not "legally" a rapist as he has not been found guilty of the crime of rape.

Criminal court is where you go when a DA is brining charges against you. Civil court is the place where you and I would go to settle a lawsuit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

He is legally a rapist now. Adjudicated by the court.

Just not criminally. (Yet)

He was close to getting nailed for child rape but he threatened and intimidated the victim out of testifying and she disappeared.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Thank you for explaining it. I still find it weird how it works, but ok.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

He was sued CIVILLY. if he is convicted CRIMINALLY then he'll be registered as a sex offender

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

This is the U.S.A. Everything is weird.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I believe this was all done in civil court, not criminal.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Next week: Trump's lawyers say to judge, "Is defamation even really a crime? Can you stab someone with a defamation?"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah I get this one about bed time a lot, too.