chapotraphouse

So it’s okay for a Palestinian-American citizen to not vote for Biden due to moral reservations over what Biden’s signing off on in Gaza, but a white citizen doing the same in solidarity with the Palestinian-Americans, and Palestinians generally, is bad? This says to me, he doesn’t actually think it’s acceptable for Palestinian-Americans to not vote for Biden, but won’t outright say it because he knows it’ll undermine lib virtue signaling.

"Lesser evil"? It takes a liberal-level of a chutzpah to describe Biden that way as he empowers, enables, and arms the Israelis as they openly commit genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Voters using issues they've become aware of within the last year to make decisions at the polls is un-american, it's not fair!

There's another layer of really disgusting chauvinism in this I can't totally articulate. Dude clearly views Palestinians/probably any Arab American as being motivated by emotion, but the rational white people can rise above and observe the facts and logic of the situation. Infantilizing Palestinians but dressing it up in this "I hear you" language, but still genuinely believing they're stupid for being against being genocided.

"Genocide is only bad if it's happening to me", and other things libs genuinely believe

Ask this guy how he felt about Ukraine before February 2022, or if he knew where it was.

Also what the fuck is this reasoning? Palestinians can recognize Biden is genocidal but white people are being sanctimonious when saying the same thing? He's outright acknowledging the lesser evil is genocide. Is Trump supposed to be double genocide?

"Work-from-home-slacktivism"

— "You know...I'm not going to tell a Palestinian voter to vote for Biden. I'm really not. I won't."

— But...

— "What I am gonna do is tell a white voter who couldn't find Gaza on a map 6 months ago to miss me with their work-from-home-slacktivism and choose the lesser evil."

[Easy: Success] — Of course. Only the white votes matter to her.

I can't, i mean i can, but i can't, genocide is not the lesser evil. It's the worst evil. Once your guy is doing genocide, he's at the bottom of cocytus with a pick ax, digging down, complaining about the heat. "The other guy would do more genocide!" How do you get to that point, as a person? What is happening in the cranial vault at that point?

What is this anti-solidarity, anti-intersectional nonsense?

If you want to torture a lib - just say you'll debate Biden/dem policies and actions but if and only if they don't mention Trump. They often can't or won't do it. They can't think for more than ~60 seconds without their brain screaming but Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump...

He has a serious case of Trump derangement syndrome. He'll ignore all thoughtful tweets that mention genocide and ethnic cleansing. Time and again to his hobby horse that the Israelis like Trump more so Biden is better.

If I thought that Biden is doing nothing to restrain the Netanyahu government, I'd agree with you. But, the Netanyahu government complains about Biden... AND I PROMISE YOU THEY WOULD BE HAPPIER WITH TRUMP... so... I think you're wrong that they're functionally the same.

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The argument that Biden is doing nothing is patently false. He is actively supporting Israel in their campaign.

Saying he is doing "nothing" is sort of apologia for liberals, so they can say "well trump would do the same but worse". No. They'll just do the exact same thing and support Israel to the tune of billions and billions of dollars.

Not going to get into the Biden is a lesser evil thing for transfolks and women, I dont see him doing anything particularly helpful, but this is the one area id argue he is actually doing "nothing". If marginalized people in these groups tell me to vote, I probably will, but yeah

I’m not voting for someone who wants genocide.

Netanyahu wants Trump to be elected, so to counter that, Biden is staking out the position of sending Israel weapons and taking its side on the international stage? And that will make Netanyahu less interested in Trump being elected? Or it will increase Biden's domestic support because his base is overwhelmingly in favor of a ceasefire?

Does Twitter make you stupid or is it just where stupid people go?

I'm so tired of these people claiming that "nobody knew about Israel-Palestine until a month ago". I was pissed about anti-BDS laws in high school ffs. Even the most apolitical zoomer alive can remember at least one Israeli atrocity from the past 20 years. Even the strongest Islamophobes who want to personally kill everyone in Gaza themselves know about the USS Liberty.

MSNBC brain

At least with Trump liberals will oppose genocide, even if it's in the form of "work-from-home slacktivism"

Surely they wouldn't be full of shit and support Trump's Gaza policy, righhht? Obviously, they've made it clear they'll do EVERYTHING in their power to oppose Trump and guarantee his "threat to democracy" is thwarted completely, it's not like they hate Trump only for superficial reasons

Literally the white man's burden 🤡

"Trump will be worse"

It's been 5 months since the Al-Aqsa operation. There is 1.4 million refugees in Rafah, the purported "safe zone" as described by Israel. There is 6 months until the election. There won't be a Palestine if Biden keeps this up. The election is irrelevant, as a genocide cannot get worse if it has been successful. There is no lesser of two evils. It's just evil.

I'm not about to deny that there has been a lot of complacency about what Israel is doing to Palestine over the years. This is absolutely the case.

What's absurd is the proposition that if you've only just recently developed an understanding of a situation that has been outrageous for the best part of a century now, therefore your position on the matter is illegitimate somehow. It's not your fault that you live in an imperial bubble that's brimming with distractions, PR doublespeak, and curated concerns.

I have often referred to Israel's actions as being a slow-burning genocide or a genocide in slow motion. Obviously that's before the recent events but still. The point being that Israel is very aware that as long as they take a slow and steady approach which is punctuated by relatively brief periods of intensification and speeding up, the world will largely be indifferent because there's always a more urgent concern and that way what they're doing can mostly fly under the radar.

Blaming people for the very self-conscious and strategic approach to ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide enacted by Israel is just blame-shifting that serves the interests of Israel and sides with the oppressor over the oppressed.

Our votescold here wouldn't be singing the same tune if he encountered people who were diehard Republican voters up until 6 months ago when they got slightly more politically savvy. I wonder why that would be?

I just keep thinking about Sam Seder being like, “I would vote for the guy who wanted to build less concentration camps”. It’s just not a hypothetical anymore.

“I believe that only white people can understand the “”””nuances”””” of democrats so therefore I won’t even bother to appeal to the browns”

He’s just saying what liberals are too scared to say. They know they’re mostly alone on this topic. Regardless of how most POC will vote, they’re also largely supportive of Palestine and liberals know they’ll get their shit rocked if they play the “if you don’t for Biden you ain’t black” a second time.

Honestly even the "I'm not going to tell a Palestinian voter to vote for Biden" is more than I would have expected. It at least recognizes that Biden has acted against Palestinians in such a way that Palestinian Americans can't vote for him in good conscience. But yeah, the rest is shit.

How can these lib idiots not see that Biden's support for Netanyahu's genocide campaign is exactly what is hurting him? It's like they can't even concieve of Biden doing anything consequential to not directly support it.

This is happening now. Real-time genocide deniers doing some handwaving that makes the possibility of future Trump worse than the real-time support of genocide.

Yeah, Trump would probably circumvent Congress to sell arms to Gaza, he would call people protesting Israel's actions in Gaza plants or paid opposition, and he would shoot down every UN ceasefire resolution

Oh wait

I 100% believe is, unironically, sincerely the only way humanity will have a future.

~~The Aristocrats!~~ Liberalism!

After reading the first sentence: not bad. Let's see where he goes...

After the rest:

Certified moment.