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I recently made a post asking about getting spotify cheaper via vpn.

My question to everyone: how do you decide what to download?

Do you just grab everything, do you use last fm, do you erase music that you never listen to?

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Storage is cheap, and music (even in FLAC format) is small. You can fit tens of thousands of songs into a terabyte.

I download anything and everything. An artist I enjoy? Entire discography. I've only heard one song? Entire discography--there may be more I might enjoy! An artist in a genre I like but I've never heard? Entire discography.

I'm at over 125k songs, and I still feel like my collection is a sliver. I eventually want to reach 1m songs and truly become my own Spotify. Finding songs I've never heard before and that I end up loving in my own collection is a joy I can't describe.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

This. Just search for open directories and download entire music collections from the web to the download folder. Then dump them into MusicBrainz Picard and move whatever has proper tags into your music library. Finally, play the newly downloaded songs in random order.

The amount of stuff out there is amazing! I discovered all kinds of genres streaming services never would've recommended to me. Truly widens your palette.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

How do you decide what to listen to? I assume you don't listen to multiple entire discographies

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Random works pretty well, but PlexAmp has a lot of ways to curate playlists, and that's what I've been using for my local collection.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I actually listen to music on Twitch a lot. I follow a handful of streamers who play music I like, and are always playing stuff that is new to me, and kindly list track IDs on the video feed.

I hear a song I like by an artist I am unfamiliar with and then guess what...? Entire discography.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Whatever I feel like listening to that day. In that regard it's no different than having a massive Spotify/Apple music library

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. Do you just listen on Random all the time, with maybe favorites or whatever?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Depends. I tend to listen to whole albums, so I let LMS give me a random album if I wanna hear something new. If I'm in the mood for whatever, I do random mixes in LMS. LMS also has a music similarity feature (with plugins) that will play related songs after an album, too, so that also helps me find new stuff that sounds like stuff I already like

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Hol' up: Let's say the average size for a song (in FLAC format) is 30MB. 125k × 30 = 3'750'000 MB, or 3TB+!

Thas a lot of storage. O.o

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A single drive of that size goes for less than $100 USD (sometimes much less!). It'd actually be more economical to get an 8TB device for less than 2x the price. I'd suspect most folks in this community have far more than 3TB available...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

36 TB usable space on my NAS... Music doesn't even make a dent

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Good on ya, with that much storage I would do that too :P

I'm about to build my first NAS, and intend to start with 8TB - for family backups, photos, music, TV shows, and self-hosted apps. That's why the thought of dedicating 3TB, or ~1/3 of my entire storage, to music alone sounds nuts in the eyes of a beginner like me😂

But I guess it's true what they say: Storage grows with time! Although I don't wanna know how many songs you'll have when I catch up to your current number...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

FLAC is good, but not necessary for background listening. At 192k the average song is ~ 5Mb. 100k x 5 = 0.5 TB.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

You pretty much calculated spot on! ;)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If I like it I download it, save the whole album or discography. Archive everything. Never delete. Same for books and movies and shows, though I find myself watching less of those lately.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

I do the same. If i like them i download the discog. Gotta do something with 200tb nas

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

https://github.com/RandomNinjaAtk/arr-scripts/tree/main/lidarr downloads automatically. I don't really decide. I add artists when I see one missing.

It's more important to contribute to musicbrainz than to my library. If musicbrainz has it, I can dosnload it, if not, I can't download it either.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

To everyone in here saying they download entire discographies, great! I agree. But the follow up question is how do you even find out about new (to you) artists that you might like? I've cross referenced the library I have (about 27k tracks) with the "similar artists" sections of Spotify, last.fm, etc, and I feel like I'm just going around in circles. All of the similar artists are just similar to each other and I have all of it already. How do you branch out?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In previous years I've found new stuff using Pandora Radio, Youtube Music, and occasionally just by browsing music communities. Reddit's listentothis sub used to be really good for finding relatively unknown bands a number of years ago.

Pandora Radio advertises that instead of doing a basic genre or artist comparison, each track they have is manually analyzed for specific aspects of the track like "call and response", "wall of sound", "excessive vamping", so it makes connections crossing genre lines.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Listen to independent radio stations. Usually can find a stream link online and plug into a music player app.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I've never found similar artists to be helpful. Most of the time it's just a worse version of the thing I like. I don't really like stuff that sounds very samey though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I'm an old man. "Back in my day", we heard by word of mouth, the radio, browsing at music shops, etc.

We can still do that in the digital age. When someone posts a random song, anywhere, check it out. Try checking out internet radio of genres you like (I'm finding a lot of Classical this way currently). Check out Bandcamp and IRL music store every once in a while just see what calls to you. Sometimes, let the cool album art guide you ;)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

If i like it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

I like a song from a artist so I download the entire catalog. Lossless where I can

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Like other people, whole discographies. Artist URL straight into deemix and let it do it's thing.

For finding new music, I mostly rely on radiostations such as Kerrang! and YouTube subscriptions or recommendations.

MP3 320 is what I go for, I don't have the equipment to benefit from FLAC.

I set and forget too, never delete. You never know when it'll become impossible to get that data back if you want it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

You should check out last.fm (or musicbrainz, which I prefer since its open source). You connect your apps to it (Plex, tidal, Spotify, etc), they send over songs as you listen to them, you can rank them as love or hate (and some other stuff) and they curate playlists and artists that they think you'll like based on your listening habits

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Band camp Fridays are cool too when they give up their cut so artists get 100% of sales.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Bandcamp has been pretty good for me to find the stuff I like listening to.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

If I find something and I don't have it, yet, I download it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Didn't know last fm was still around. I ditched them after they were breached. Musicbrainz is an apt alternative. I'm still bummed about how bad AI is at recommending similar songs /a artists. I'll grab random stuff and stuff from Musicbrainz recommendatiins. I definitely delete stuff I don't like, not for saving space but mainly just to keep my library tight. I also have nightmares about being in a coma and someone finding my music collection and thinking it's something I really like but really it's 80% garbage that I can't stand and they play it for me in a loop for weeks and I can't tell them to stop because of coma. I'm also pretty vocal in my life about not really liking country music, not because I want to be a judgemental jerk about it, but mainly because of the coma thing, and I want to make sure I'm not stuck listening to that in the coma.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Honestly i mostly download songs on .mp3 format individually.

Unless someone has been kind enough to compile the entire album on a .zip file

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I just download .MP3 or m4as of everything I add to my liked songs on Spotify. I pay for Spotify, but the offline functionality is bogus so I also keep regular copies of everything and don't rely on whatever dumbass propriety offline format Spotify uses because it never actually plays anything when offline that way.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Now that's what I call music" I'm embarrassed to say, I use those volumes a lot to keep in touch with younger generations, new music. Also, among the more popular torrents generally, so download fast.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I purposely went out and found every super adult and suggestive grunge song they covered with Kidz Bop because it's hilarious hearing little kids singing Nirvana and Bush songs

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You'd probably like Richard Cheese (vulgar rap and rock done as vegas style lounge music).

For less vulgar, but still fun genre switch up, Paul Anka's album Rock Swings is nice. Similarly there's Pat Boone's album In A Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I love Dick Cheese ever since Dawn of the Dead used his version of Disturbed's Down With the Sickness 😁

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I just set up lidarr with all artists I like listening to and tell it to download everything they've made. That's how I have about 700gb of flac files

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I use Spytify, so I "download" my songs real time in the background. If anything it makes me more intentional about what I do grab. Grabbing the entire discography of an artists may take a day, so a little pre-veting is necessary. you find out why some of the big names only have 1 or 2 hits out of a hundred, but you also find some great songs that didn't make it.

I'll usually aquire a few albums at a time. I'll give each song a quick pass (jumping to random parts) to determine the following

  1. is the song awful and/or nothing like what the artist normally does = Delete.
  2. is there dead space (a really long start/end of silence) or random talking/noises = trim
  3. is it the volume stupidly loud/quiet compared to other songs = fix*
  4. stupid rap section in the middle for no reason (thank god that trend is basically gone) = cut
  5. what playlists does it belong in?

*I use MP3Gain for bulk volume adjustment, it does pretty good and is non-destructive, though not every player respects the adjustment (a tag in metadata or something)

I don't catch everything doing this, mostly because I spend a few seconds on each song, but it does filter out a lot.

Sometimes it takes a few listens to decide "I dont like this song" - delete.

I'm not a completionist (or try not to be) for albums/artists. If I don't like the song, its gone. If there's one part of a whole that I don't like, its chopped out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I add stations to my radio app, like Ancient FM, Cosmo Vintage, Intergalactic FM, King Dub, Nightwave Plaza, Radio Nova. Tons of cool stuff comes up, most is tagged. If I really like it I soulseek it. I stopped downloading whole albums by default, good tunes end up in my assorted folder. I throw out stuff I don't listen to as well, I'm not a hoarder.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Listen to a song. I like the song. I download the song. It's not rocket science.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I follow YT accounts that post music that I'm interested in such as Vapor Memory or Cryo Chamber. I'm also on the mailing lists of several artists on Bandcamp so I get notified of new releases. I ask friends for recommendations, I ask on forums, other places. Really not that hard.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What a weird question. I download music I like. Sometimes I buy stuff on Bandcamp or download from YT. I don't use Spotify and I'm an album/artist listener. Am I missing something here? Do people not have personal music libraries any more? Do people now just listen to whatever bullshit Spotify randomly plays? If so, that's sad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Google Play Music hooked me by letting me upload my entire library. I used Songza to discover new music (playlists curated by real humans).

Google bought Songza and shut it down. Raised the price of Google Music multiple times, forced me over to YouTube Premium, raised the price again multiple times and got rid of everything that made the service appealing.

I've been in music limbo since I dropped it entirely and yeah it's kind of sad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Man, songza was so great. It was my default music app 11 years ago lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

For a while, it was noted that the "Hip Hop Caviar" playlist had a direct and noticeable affect on single/album sales and streams on other platforms. So yeah kinda, although people are still interested in owning the music they like, but a not-insignificant portion of humans don't care either way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

If I hear a song I like in a movie, game or other media I add the song and the discography for the artist to the downloader.

Once I have some free time I listen through those songs and filter out everything I don't like.

The rest gets added to my collection. I never delete songs unless something slipped through like a short interlude.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

With a long, varied list of select internet radio stations, you can choose what genre (or special weekly show) you want to listen to at the moment. Picked by people, not algorithms. Keep a playlist of the stations you like best, startup your player (like VLC) with the list, and pick the one you're in the mood for.

Or you could just collect mp3s locally for choosier days, dump a bunch of them into VLC, listen to them in album or random order. In either case, at no cost.

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