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[–] [email protected] 82 points 8 months ago (19 children)

It is though the strong taboo against cousin marriage is relavtively recent and kind of weird and supported by incorrect beliefs that you'll definitely have flipper babies instead of any kind of analysis of power disparities or family dynamics.

From a genetics and general health perspective having babies with a first cousin creates a trivial risk unless you're both carrying genes for some serious condition. Condemning cousin marriage bc genetics is not valid and is probably left over gene hygeine nonesense from the bad old days of eugenics.

If you have a social critique of cousin marriage i am 100% on board to hear it, but if you bring up genetics I will point at you and laugh.

Sincerely; i'm an anthropologist and marrying your cousin is weird in our cultural moment but has been entirely normal in many places in the past and doesn't cause your babies to be born with tentacles and fangs.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)

thought-terminating cliché

:nerd:

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

you're a thought-terminating cliché

smuglord

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago

:eviscerated:

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The cultural taboo against first-cousin marriage is probably due to the fact that if you have too many people marrying first-cousins in a fixed community over generations it will eventually lead to inbreeding problems, which was a bigger issue when everyone lived in small agricultural communities. People who get weird about second or third cousin partnering are frankly silly, if you live in any sort of rural community finding a partner who isn't somehow distantly related to you is near impossible and inbreeding really not a problem with anyone beyond first cousins.

But first cousins, honestly it's one of those things that's mostly harmless on the micro but harmful on the macro, hence why it's been discouraged via social pressure for millennia.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It has not been discouraged. It's very common around the world today. it only started to become taboo in European societies in the mid 19th century. (pardon the anthropology word) exogamous, ie outside your immediate group, marriage has been common throughout history and people in the medieval and ancient world travelled much more commonly than people think. Even a marriage group of a few hundred people has so much genetic diversity that unless a specific genetic illnes becomes fixed in the group, like Tays-Sachs or something, it's unlikely for cousin marriage to cause problems, doubly so if there's any outsiders marrying in to the group which has almost always been the case.

This is a taboo that developed recently in European culture and isn't well founded in science. There is a small increased risk that an genetic illness already present in the partners genes will be expressed in their children. The idea that it's an ancient taboo is not historical.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are there any credible explanations as to why this taboo developed?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure there are, it's a pretty recent phenomena so people were almost certainly writing about it, and it happened at more or less the same time we were figuring out genetic hertitability. I've never really bothered to look in to it but I'm pretty sure i've read a few times that it was tied up in the emergence of Eugenics and "scientific" racism.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

There is totally a genetic problem caused by multiple generations marrying inside the family though, which is part of where the taboo comes from, isolated families or aristocrats marrying their first cousins for literally centuries.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You and your cousin are not gonna have flipper babies, but after doing this for several generations, your descendants will all have PCOS and astigmatism, they will need glasses for poor eye sight, and probably several of them will be physically and mentally disabled. There is a lot of research to back this up, and if you don't believe in research, you can compare the side of your family that have been inbreeding with the side that have not and you can see for yourself.

Edit:

I'm gonna add that if you are considering marrying your first cousin, you undoubtedly already have family members that have been marrying eachother for several generations and you probably also personally know several people with some or all of the issues highlighted above, which is all the more reason for your family, friends and wider society to bully you out of doing it again yourself.

Also relevant Dead South song.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's especially weird when people get like that about second and third cousins. Like ffs, genetically those may as well be complete strangers. If you've had a lot of sex partners and still live near your family you've probably banged one of those without having any idea about it lmao

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

I literally have a degree in Anthropology and I can't even remember what a second cousin is half the time, it's so irrelevant. Like you've got the same great grandparents? Cool, so does probably a third of the population within a hundred miles no one cares.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok but if everyone is having kids w their cousins, doesn't that compound?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes if you repeat cousin-couplings consistently, eg as a wealth protection strategy because you’re a European “noble”, then yeah you end up with that fucked up shit that was the Spanish monarchy and Prince Charles.

There was a Spanish king who was in fact more inbred, in a genetic / statistical sense, than had he been the product of a sibling-pairing.

Slightly inbred cousins having children with even less genetic diversity who marry their own cousins etc and the genetic pool gets about as deep the lyrics of the spice girls - when repeated as a norm for generations.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It’s funny how people get disgusted by breaking of arbitrary social taboos. What’s disgusting about it? They act like it’s making them physically sick just to think about which I just don’t understand.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (4 children)

That's what makes it a taboo. It's something everyone around them believes, and they believe, and everyone who doesn't believe it is a weird outside Other. People who challenge taboos within the culture are often ostracized, the taboo itself often has a bunch of myths justifying it, the actual nature, causes, and consequences of the taboo are rarely questioned let alone interrogated.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Omw to fuck my cousin now

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

mao-clap get their asses mao-clap

a social critique of cousin marriage

i think this is something that cannot be placed within the auspices of consanguinity, the relationships people have with their cousins is wildly, wildly divergent even in the same culture and class. i'd rather have the rule be more like 'don't fuck someone that grew up in the same house as you' or similar

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

There's some evidence out there that there's a built in "don't fuck someone that grew up in the same house as you" mechanism in humans, that doesn't have anything to do with consanguinity or shared genetics.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

I respect your determination to bend reality to suit your whim.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"If God didn't want me to fuck my cousin, then why did he give her such a fat ass?"

  • The Economist
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[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Respect to hexbear for being pro cousin marriage this is why I will always rock with you freaks

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When you expect a bunch of Marxists to embrace cultural taboos

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Caught me questioning biases I didn’t know I had!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago

One of the mottos of Anthropology is "Make the strange familiar. Make the familiar strange."

[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But we're facing a cousin shortage!!?!!??

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Well start making more cousins. With your cousins.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago

It's not right to mock the Anglo-Saxons for their traditional practices.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Cousin marrier is an insult against the rich here in Chile

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

When The Economist starts talking about the merits of dynastic marriage like this, it makes me rethink the validity of the whole neo feudalism thesis coming true.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is the shit I come to Hexbear for. Idk anywhere else where someone would put those two things together. I certainly wouldn't have thought about it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I mean it jokingly of course. I've come to doubt the idea of capitalism transitioning to neo feudalism after listening to some arguments that took apart the thesis.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

Something tells me one of the cases where it's "not fine" for hereditary diseases is after ten centuries of unclefucking

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

I'm going to go against the grain and say whatever. What you think of cousin marriage is mostly just cultural. (I don't know why comments are insinuating cousin marriage is solely or mostly a white or European thing)? The genetic dangers of incest are typically overblown (just like genetics in general are given far more importance than they deserve). The immorality and general badness of incest is mostly social (do I need really need to elaborate?) Cousin marriage is so normal and widespread throughout time and space that I can't get too much of a bug bear about other people doing it, especially if the science says it's mostly harmless. shrug-outta-hecks

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

did rrudy giuliani write this?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This article was definitely written by someone’s creepy uncle who’s angry that he’s not allowed to be alone with children at family gatherings.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yep, another aryan classic.

Us puny undesirables will never understand NASCAR-Americans, our natural superiors.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago

Accusing southern people of being genetically inferior because of inbreeding is classist and also tacky.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

I mean, yeah that's correct. Shit doesn't really matter there's important things in this world and that ain't one of them

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

All I can really say to this is there’s a lot of good lookin people out there. If your taste is so niche that you’d prefer to fuck your cousin than any of the other millions of people that’s weird. I don’t care what the science says nor do I care if you’re an anthropologist or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Thanks, I needed to hear that. 🙏

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

It’s not inbreeding, it’s the breeding that’s in

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
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