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Ladybird is an ongoing project to build an independent web browser from scratch.

It is being developed as part of the SerenityOS/serenity project on GitHub.

There are no downloadable binaries yet, as the project is still very unstable. You can follow the build instructions to build it for yourself.

This page is not fancy because we are focusing on building the browser. :^)

Since Ladybird is part of the SerenityOS project, development is coordinated on the SerenityOS discord server.

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Imagine wanting to see if you can help with the development, but seeing that the development is coordinated on fucking Discord.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I have an eye for typos and like to notify authors as I’m they’ll want to correct them. Blogs that only allow contact via social media apps frustrate me as I’m not on shitbird, fb, insta, etc. Can’t you just have a public email associated with your writing ffs?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

notify authors as I’m they’ll

How about grammar errors?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Hahaha! You got me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Ooh, the irony!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And written in C++ 🙄 How many times does this mistake have to be made?

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not sure what’s the problem there?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's in Proverbs 11:20

The C++ developers are an abomination to the Lord,
But the Rustaceans in their Rust-based OSes are His delight.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

But is there any plans to support GNU Linux distros, like Debian or Nix? From the first look the browser is only for Serenity.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It does build on Linux distros as well. There's already a package on the AUR for instance: https://aur.archlinux.org/ladybird-git.git

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Linux is the only platform to get native WebGL, too!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

On Nix, it’s available:

environment.systemPackages = [ pkgs.ladybird ];

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also, is there any plan to provide binaries and builds? Especially for Android, for example, via F-Droid?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

F-Droid does not ship binaries. You submit code to be built by F-Droid. This is its strength and also weakness. IzzyOnDroid just pulls in Github releases, which is pretty cool.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

IzzyEnDroid docs don’t say they are limited to MS GitHub

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The point is that the releases are signed by developers so they cannot be easily faked

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then you should drop the specific name drop of a proprietary platform when a generic option like code repository or software forge could suffice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It was just my info that they directly use Github releases. Shipping binary packages next to the codebase is something specific for Github and a few other platforms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

A few other platforms like Forgejo (Codeberg), GitLab, & SourceHut? The first 3 open source/open core Git forges I looked up support this… it is not unique to the Microsoft-owned, proprietary offering.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Using Qt and brotli, seems nice! But Discord? Hell no.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Want to contribute to this open project? Create closed Microsoft GitHub & Discord account. https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS.html

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

To be honest, I think the internet is in desperate need of an alternative to the Chrome/Mozilla/Safari trio. Why can I can no longer get a browser that doesn't shove ads in my face and/or track my every move?

I know this isn't being designed as a browser for everyone. But I'm pleased to see making a web browser isn't an un-enterable area yet.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What's wrong with Mozilla?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Forces ads in my face via Firefox. Sometimes promotes commercial control of the internet. Is borderline for-profit at this stage with all the moneygrubbing and issues that comes with.

Don't get me wrong, they're the best of the lot by a long long way, but they're still problematic.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What? Where? I haven't seen an ad in Firefox since Carter was president.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Install Firefox with default settings > Look at your new tab page. They're all sponsored ads.

Firefox on mobile collects data and sends it off for marketing purposes, this can't be turned off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh my gosh, that's messed up. And you can't even turn it off??!?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Servo has been the most exciting one to me for a while. Seems like one of the best foundations for a new browser.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

he internet is in desperate need of an alternative to the Chrome/Mozilla/Safari trio.

No it's not. You have lots and lots of different browsers. Do we need another browser engine? Also not. They all do the same thing so while it's good to have some competition we definitely don't need yet another one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We essentially have three different browsers, that definitively isn't "lots and lots". Every year they get together and agree on what measures can be foisted upon all users with or without their support. The rest are very little more than reskins of each other.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so what do you want your 4th, new browser to do differently? What's so different about it that you can't build it on top of Gecko?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's not about a lack of features.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What is it about then? Rendering HTML and CSS in a new, fun way?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No? I've already said what it's about, and I'm not eager to repeat myself 'cause I feel vague meanyness.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

What you said (if I understand you correctly, you didn't give any examples) boils down to breaking standards established by the current browsers. The standards that web developers and servers universally follow. If you want to build browser that will not follow standards you might just as well render HTML in non-standars ways. Most pages will not work anyway.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What problem are they trying to solve?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Building Firefox from scratch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Why? What would that benefit?

Definitely wish them the best though :)