Fediverse

I think that the "controversy" died down. Simply because there was no controversy on first place - just a conflict of interests, where you can see both sides being reasonable but ultimately wanting mutually incompatible things.

Was it really? How?

They are heavy-handed but are upfront about that fact, and their reason for it - wanting a safe space, since a lot of people go out of their way to make the rest of the internet as unwelcoming as they can. If that's not acceptable to you, you're just not in the target audience. If it's any sort of threat to the fediverse I am really not seeing how. If they want to be a bubble and deal with the "recruitment" issues that causes on an already miniscule platform, they absolutely can.

Reputation-wise for Lemmy instances and the FV in general, I would think we have significantly larger issues.

You are too dramatic. What happened is that many left beehaw (me included). You can see beehaw has a lot less activity now then it had last year.

I liked the idea of Beehaw, but it ended up being rather like an HOA. You weren't allowed to ever disagree, no matter how gently, because it "wasn't nice." They ironically tried to reduce bullying by bullying people.

Ended up with a bunch of Karens policing each other, so I think that's a win for all.

I stopped hearing discussions about it long ago. I suppose the thing died down.

One thing I will never understand is their endless complaint about moderation tools. They had/have a decent amount of donation, why they didn't just put a bounty on the features they needed in github and encourage contributions in that space (if not contributing directly)? It feels like it was sterile criticism when they had/have the means to actually work on the solution.

EDIT: Adding to the above. From their opencollective page, they are in +6k$. Even 1000$ on a feature and I think plenty of people will want to contribute. Considering that they were complaining about a handful of features, I don't see how it was not feasible. That will both give back to the developers and get them where they are. Win-win...?

I don’t care for beehaw but I don’t see why it’s any different from any other non-federated general discussion forum.

They aren’t helping the fediverse grow but they aren’t actively harming it either. It’s a live or let live thing. Being able to choose who you federate with is part of the fediverse

I don't see how a single instance doing something against the grain would be the end of the whole fediverse, considering how the system works.

And all they want is a place free from bigotry. Which is noble, but pretty naive. Even if you went to extreme lengths of vetting users before letting them post, you're still gonna get a assholes who slip through just to cause trouble.

Probably died down because they de-federated nearly everyone.

I have an account with beehaw. It's my favorite place on the internet. I think most of us are happy with the way it has panned out. Some discussion here and there of potentially leaving activitypub altogether. If it happens, I will follow. If it doesn't I will stay. Beehaw is too special for those of us it speaks to and works for. I don't see it dying anytime soon, that's for sure.

I'm surprised they're still on 0.18.4. They made that big post complaining about moderation actions not federating, then the 0.18.5 hotfix came out and the only change was that fix, and they never updated anyways? I even put a comment on their post to let them know the hotfix for their issue. There's no database changes, it's the simplest update.

Rilers gonna get riled. I've only seen Beehaw mentioned recently as a nice, drama-free space.

Some people in this thread say Beehaw defederated almost or entirely from the rest of the threading/fediverse; just a glimpse of their instance federation and block lists show that isn't the case. If you or your instance has been blocked by one that pretty much only requires users to be nice — I think that warrants some introspection on your part rather than dismissing them.

I'm completely for social sites that set an ettiquette standard and stick to it. And I'm getting too old for bored teenagers' edgelord hot takes, so in principle I should probably be in the target group for Beehaw.

That said, looking through the recent local posts on the instance... it doesn't look terribly interesting either. Not that I look for aggravation or confrontation in a forum, but I guess the people who sign up for a "nice" one, in this case at least, are fairly normie, and don't have much interesting to say?

Haven’t heard much about them lately, which I just learned through this post is because they defederated from everyone else. Anything I’ve read about them is that they want a certain type of community, but beyond that they’re really vague. I avoided signing up for their instance because they seemed kind of uptight and I’d rather be in a place that is welcoming to more people with diverse interests. It’s going to be hard to replace Reddit and being too uptight about who joins just kind of seems like a recipe not to have enough people to have an active community.

Lol. I hadn’t even thought of that random instance until this post.

I imagine most people are like me. They forgot this instance existed.

Beehaw still exists? I guess I don't ever really see any communities hosted there pop up on All. Or maybe I'm just not noticing.

See, here's how Beehaw affects the rest of the Fediverse:

It doesn't. Nobody cares about Beehaw except Beehaw. And we'll all go on for a few more months without thinking about them at all until someone mentions them again.

Walled gardens don’t have a long shelf-life on the internet. They’re fading away.

I have never seen anything valuable and/or good coming from that instance. Only trolling or hate. So I put it on my instance ignore list.

can someone please explain how one site existing causes other sites to fail? that’s not generally how it works.

Lemmy users mainly have a positive view on Beehaw.

https://lemmy.ml/post/9896745

Nobody's been riled up. You need to go to Reddit for that :)