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[–] [email protected] 233 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The old chef forged documents to take over the restaurant for himself, stealing from the protagonist, took advantage of the name Gustav to sell cheap food for profit.

Have you even watched the movie?

[–] [email protected] 85 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I have but I banked on people's mandela effect memories to flip them towards the opinion.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Worked on me OP 👍 (I'm easily swayed and have no convictions)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You should change that right away.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

You got it boss. Done 👍

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's a pretty successful Disney movie from the last 20 years, there was never a chance that would work.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Tbf I've maybe seen it twice since it released so my memory on it is fuzzy and I was almost swayed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Seems to have worked on many people in this thread

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

He didn't forge documents. He just didn't want to tell the protagonist that he was the heir. I believe the letter also told him not to tell. So, in a way, he was fulfilling the dead mother's wishes on that.

Gustav's was failing. Selling cheap food for profit might have been the only way to keep the business afloat. Yes, he tarnishes the name, but sometimes things have to be done, and he might have had to make that hard decision.

Mean and selfish? Yes. Evil? No

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

The villain in Ratatouille wanted to take over the restaurant, specifically for the name, so he could sell out with cheaply made frozen meals.

He was also a massive French asshole. 🤢

[–] [email protected] 66 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He was also ~~a massive~~ French ~~asshole~~. 🤢

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

ugh the Americans of Europe

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't insult Americans like that. Even we don't deserve that much hate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

it's the perfect insult - there's literally no one who wouldn't be upset at this!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

So he was just a capitalist

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That plague was like 600 years ago and rats still can’t get food service jobs in France?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Here in the US they are our leaders

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wait you're telling me that movie had a plot and wasn't just about how bad I wanted that bad French bih to sit on my face?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sitting on her face tho... ouch

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Gross. I hear they eat snails

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I hear they eat food cooked by rats

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Sac le Bleaur!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is why i love that movie, there's no evil person but one who doesn't want the restaurant to run by someone who can't even cook nor run a business, and he doesn't want the restaurant to shut down by health inspection. The crew quitting over it signified the seriousness of this issue. Linguini almost ruined the restaurant if not for Remy.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They kind of had to add that bit of him being a sellout who wants to ruin Gusteau's legacy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Late-stage capitalism is hardly all on his shoulders.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't think that Ratatouille had that much of an anti-capitalist angle. Let alone a late-stage capitalism one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I didn't mean to suggest that. Simply that he was a business man doing business in a capitalist society. If you lose the talent of your main chef, what do you do? You ride his name and legacy for as long as you can.

That's just the world we live in.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

In reality, you're right. But that stuff doesn't exist in the narrative of the movie. In the movie, he's a sellout and therefore: evil.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Also: Linguini did ruin the restaurant. Wasn't that kind of the point of the whole "Everyone can cook" idea?(i.e.: Haute-cuisine is not that important)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Linguini did ruin the restaurant.

For that case we need to separate the two protagonists, Linguini and Remy. For the ending, i guess it's fair to say Linguini ruined the restaurant as he invited rats into his restaurant and to cook, but if we look at Remy as a separated entity, then the restaurant closed down due to Remy's and his family. The instance where Linguini almost ruined the restaurant is when a critic were served the same pot of soup he ruined, Remy saved the soup, thus saved the restaurant reputation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Forgot the soup. Why do I always forget the soup!!??

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

?(i.e.: Haute-cuisine is not that important)

Nah. Confit byaldi is ludicrously haute-cuisine, needs three-star levels of manual prep work. The tag line is "Not everyone can be a great cook -- but a great cook can come from anywhere". And so can a good recipe or idea, that wasn't ever new in French cuisine it's been riffing off peasant recipes for ages, Escoffier did plenty of that.

Good food isn't special in the sense that everyone so inclined, with enough obsession, can learn to combine aroma, to cook things to point, all that stuff, which is how excellent home cooks are made. What sets haute cuisine apart is the time and labour invested in every dish for increasingly diminishing returns.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But the restaurant closed. The movie ends with Remy in a bistro.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Because of the health inspector, yes. The restaurant critic, now disgraced for having talked up an "unsanitary" restaurant, is eating at the new place, happy as a clam.

The social status and renown that comes with haute cuisine indeed is unimportant, it's the food that's important.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The social status and renown that comes with haute cuisine

In my mind, that was haute cuisine. I never thought of that distinction between social status and all that diminishing returns stuff.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Social status and exclusivity plays into it in practice, for sure, in a right-out fetishistic sense: Like there's chefs who have onions chopped so fine, using a special technique (not the usual chef technique you see) that they melt in the sauce, very labour-intensive. Now, having the onions melt into the sauce is a nice and valid thing, however, why in the everloving fuck aren't you using a blender. Even if there's a difference, which all my experience tells me there isn't, it's going to have such a minimal return on investment it's utterly pointless but as an exercise in exclusivity.

Also I like my potato mash chunky but that's another topic.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm wrong but I always took it as a metaphor for class. At one point Skinner literally calls linguine a rat. Also Skinner wanted to turn the restaurant into a frozen food empire...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

It shows how the feudal system is still alive in privately owned companies.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Best movie villains are assholes, but right.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Idk if you had intelligent talking people-rats like in the movie then being excluded from whole industries just because people think they're icky would actually be pretty bigoted.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

When the final boss is the sanitary inspector:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

When he locked remi in his truck, he said he wanted the rat to cook for him for his frozen food industry.

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