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Wayland is not killing smaller distributions. Who even came up with that batshit crazy idea?

Flatpak is good for diversity. Users don't need to worry about whether the obscure distro they want to use has the software they want in its repos. If a distro supports flatpak it will work with most popular software out of the box.

X11 is already dead, and it will not become more or less usable it will always stay the way it's and wayland will get better. that's the difference and flatpak is just an option it doesn't try to replace what's already availible. spreading distrust and misinformation about these softwares doesn't help

Wayland reduces bugs and standardizes the desktop, and flatpak makes it easier for distros to include apps without going through the process of packaging them.

This post is FUD bullshit, Wayland and Flatpak are making it easier to run an indie distro.

There are pros and cons.

Total centralization of the Linux Eco system isn't good for anyone. But total fragmentation where there's a million different distros that can all do basically the same thing isn't good either.

Wayland and Flatpak are great projects though. Love seeing them get more adoption.

People complaining about something opensource not doing what they want it to do: dudes/dudettes, if you want to maintain X11, go right ahead. Or if you want it maintained, pay somebody to do it. But stop this incessant whining about opensource devs choosing a direction you don't like and pretending it's the end of the world. This isn't some faceless, megacorp with closed-source shit you have no control over.

If all the people complaining about wayland either put their energy to positive stuff like making wayland better or making X11 better, this wouldn't be a problem.

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Distros should be free to evolve and fill any amd every niche. Let the rivers of life flow.

Wayland is so much better than X. You don't have to use it but its simplicity means most of the Linux community is going to.

Flatpak doesn't conform to the XDG home directory, and that upsets me. Also we have an ongoing dispute between SI and IEC units on their GitHub. But I like it otherwise.

The several distros is a thing of sheer beauty. It's like the meritocratic free market -- everyone can participate and the only way to win is to make something better than anyone else.

Flatpak packages still suck at integration without breaking something in the core app. They're really great for bleeding edge and cross distro support tho.

Wayland still can't do all the cool tricks X11 can, so it's not like it's really being forced upon anyone beyond X11 losing on potential major updates which is unlikely.

DEs are willing to switch to Wayland given that it is either equal or superior to X11 which is still not the case for several scenarios and applications.

I suddenly have the urge to daily drive Hannah Montana Linux

To devils advocate a little in general with this topic: For wider spread adoption, Linux kinda needs to adopt around more standards. If you put yourself in the shoes of the average windows or Mac (even iOS/Android) user; it's an overall standardized experience.

Linux now, is mostly a choice of DE and package manager. I still absolutely want distros like arch and Gentoo to still exists as they are.

Ok, but nobody explained what the equivalent of "ssh -X" was supposed to be with wayland.

I don't mind Wayland but I sure hope flatpack will not become the default way to distribute packages. Most packages I tried so far didn't work. I just avoid it now.

More like "Wayland is getting killed by my Nvidia card"

Honestly anything that doesn't get ported to wayland is probably old enough that it doesn't really make sense to use as your primary desktop anyway. The most niche DE I regularly use is NsCDE, but it's entirely FVWM scripts and FVWM is planning on adding wayland support. It'll be a little sad to lose things like Trinity, WindowMaker, and Afterstep, but they were never amazing anyway and either way I doubt X will actually be unusable for a long time still.

My problem with it is honestly just a personal thing...

My current laptop uses an Nvidia GPU.... i don't think i need to say more

Yes -flatpak. I'm not a big fan. It's nice though

"reduces fragmentation" wtf lol. If it wasn't for flatpak making it easy to run proprietary / obscure apps on my weirdo little distro (Void Linux, one of the few remaining non-systemd distros) I would have switched to something mainstream like Debian long ago. People are gonna go with the distro that supports (i.e. has non-broken packages for) the apps they use. Having a cross-platform package manager makes it easier for small independent distros to exist and be useful, not harder.

EDIT: And while it's true that Wayland adoption kills obscure X11 window managers, Wayland adoption also spawns a wide range of obscure Wayland compositors. Think hyprland, wayfire... It's by far not all Gnome and KDE! If anything, we can expect more people making Wayland compositors as hobby projects, if Waylands claims about a simpler codebase are to be believed.

In conclusion: this is a stupid argument lmao