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Active users as of June 25, 2023:

  • lemmy.world (48k users): 13554 active users
  • lemmy.ml (38k users): 4582 active users
  • beehaw.org (11k users): 3743 active users
  • feddit.de (6.7k users): 2320 active users
  • sh.itjust.works (6.5k users): 2167 active users
  • lemmy.ca (3.5k users): 1082 active users

Great to see all this growth and activity in different lemmy instances!

Source: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

That's great and imma let you finish but remember that decentralization is strength on the fediverse. Join or create other instances, join or create communities on other instances, thats our strength.

On the fediverse, instances come and go. I've seen big instances go down either permanently or temporarily, and ive also seen big communities decide they're turning off federation. The only way to be safe from that is to decentralize, so if something happens there's still something worth doing on the fediverse.

Besides that though, congratulations lemmy.world, I love to see the thrediverse Renaissance we're in, and nothing but love for the folks running this instance and the folks participating on it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Also lemmy.world is extremely slow in pushing out messages to other instances, if at all. So leading the pack is not necessarily the best thing until you figure out scaling.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they should really consider not accepting new users until that is figured out, honestly. There are plenty of servers out there that people can join at this point. Too much centralization in a decentralized system for my liking regardless of instance scaling.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've been missing a ton of comment replies from lemmy.world and it's frustrating. I am wondering if it's because they're still on 0.17.4 instead of 0.18.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

More users does not ALWAYS mean a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You are correct and Lemmy.World and others will experience growing pains and will have their own share of issues but the positive of this is that more users means more content.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You are correct, but it at least shows that we are attracting more users (albeit, that doesn't mean quality).

I believe its a positive thing though, as it shows that the "normies" are seriously considering alternatives; outside of us niche, nerds here for the tech and the anti-corpo mindset.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Just showed up here. We'll see how long I stay, but hoping this will be my social media fix each morning. If there are enough folks who feel the same, it will be.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Back in my day lemmy.ml was the biggest instance.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

y'all are cracking me up... time sure does fly by. i want to practice being present. that's what i should do.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Account age: 1 week

Yep checks out

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I joined world because it was the little one, with like 100 active users according to the stats on the signup page. Hmph.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm reading from kbin.social. Does kbin get included in the stats?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Good. It is important to have different instances to distribute the load though. However, I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…

I don't hope that, exactly, I just hope that the people who join understand what they're getting (and, more importantly, what they aren't). I fully support a community with a different goal than most, and their goal seems like a wholesome one. I personally think it's doomed to failure, but I support them giving it a try. They're barely part of the fediverse though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree. That's the point of having different instances. Some of the original Lemmy instances had a very specific worldview and didn't want to hear much else. I'd prefer they stay there to live in their echo chamber and I leave them alone, than they come out and start demanding the rest of us bow to their authority.

The broader fediverse sort of works that way. There's a fediverse that's really locked down, the sort of in between, and there's the wild west, and the three coexist in different ways. I can disagree with them, but it's their sandbox and I have mine and in that way we can coexist on the same platform

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There still some good instances that Beehaw is federated with, but my personal issue is that it feels very fragile. If a couple of bigots show up on other instances and the mods don't delete their posts right away, will Beehaw defederate from them? There is a line between protecting your users and barring them from accessing anything you don't approve of, and I think they need to figure out where they stand in regards to that line. Beehaw feels more like a small forum than a piece of something bigger.

Defederating because of raiding, harassment, bots, etc is 100% understandable but it should not be done lightly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks like beehaw.org is shedding users. They've lost about a thousand users since defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works last week. Maybe a bunch of people weren't happy with that move.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

They’re probably ok with that

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What counts as an active user? Voting? Commenting? Posting?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What counts as an active user? Voting? Commenting? Posting?

Submitting a comment or post. AFAIK upvoting/downvoting doesn't count, at least for Lemmy's numbers.

Kbin is looser with the definition, I think they even count accounts that simply vote among active users.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Good time to appreciate the lack of dominant centrality here compared to mastodon.

Mastodon's flagship instance run by the BDFL, mastodon.social, has ~10 times the monthly active users of the next biggest instance.

Here, there isn't really a flagship instance, as the devs don't want their instance to be anything more than the one they happen to run, and it's not the biggest, and the biggest is independent of the lemmy dev team and isn't even that much bigger than the others.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It does appear that lemmy.world is heading in the same direction of mastodon.social though.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Too bad the users are partially yelling into the void: https://lemmy.world/post/609080 Hope it gets fixed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Are they? I see tons of Lemmy.world posts (including this one) using my sh.itjust.works account.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Except, apparently, we are the void. Probably why most people on this instance haven't noticed a problem.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This dominance worries me a little. Luckily the communities are spread across instances fairly well

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This dominance worries me a little.

I don't think there's much to worry about. Having large general instances is perfectly healthy and good for the Fediverse as that's where people new to the Fediverse will land.

I predict that large niche instances will start popping up, one example already being programming.dev, and that's simply because there are domains where you might need extra customization.

For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you'd have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc... Basically a return to what we had with old-school forums except this time the instances would be federated.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Just from my own subscriptions there's also startrek.website and dormi.zone (which is for the game Warframe). I think having an instance function like that is pretty awesome, if I want Star Trek or Warframe related content I know exactly where to go now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc…

An interesting idea. But the problem with that is that the custom rendered content would not federate properly, so such communities would only really be usable to those on that instance, which destroys the whole point of being federated in the first place. Unless they were able to implement some sort of 'graceful degradation' so the content was enhanced on the main instance, but still serviceable on other instances.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Taking lessons from mastodon, I think server costs can really affect an instance's decision of how many users and how fast to register them. Can't blame them. lemmy.world just happens to have a pro admin who also runs mastodon.world.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

We did it Reddit!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's awesome to see the growth, but as a small question, why don't all the instances upgrade to version 0.18? Maybe that version isn't stable enough?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

0.18 removed checks and balances to limit bot signups. lemmy.world won't upgrade until this is in place.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

how does kbin.social compare?

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