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[–] [email protected] 76 points 10 months ago (5 children)

why would he say the quiet part out loud? how would this not make him seem like a piece of shit?

i tried to read in the article where he might say something about why but it really is just 'profits at all costs'.. wants to avoid the use of words like 'ethical'.. gotcha. i understand what kind of person you are now.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I think this is misrepresenting what he said. His stance is basically that he felt like they were punishing honest workers and business partners, people who never lied or cheated or hurt anyone, for something that they had no part in due to public pressure. He’s not wrong either unless people have some kind of explanation for how a cosmetics manufacturer is supposed to stop Putin from murdering innocent Ukrainians fighting against his pointless war and innocent Russians who don’t want to fight for him.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (15 children)

Because it might apply pressure to those rich enough to influence Putin. Because it slows their economy. Because it sends a message.

It's one raindrop in the flood. But without raindrops, there is no flood.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Yeah but that's what sanctions are. It's not really possible to have convenient sanctions. How would that work.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (10 children)

A cosmetics manufacturer alone? No.

All western companies leaving however can make an economic hit that will benefit Ukraine.

As for the Russians? They can revolt or do something, otherwise they suffer. Who cares about them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They suffer if they revolt too.

Judging by your name, you're an Aussie and I've got to say, disappointed in your complete writing off of the entire Russian population. How the fuck is some young girl working at Lush supporting Putin or deserving of suffering if they don't revolt?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Her taxes directly support the war. It's not as easy as people are good and bad. Good people can be in bad situations. Sanctions are supposed to hurt all people. That's how they work. It's seen as a lesser evil, rather than a good. They are damaging for both sides.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If stopping Putin from being in government is the only fix, the only possible action anyone could take would be ending Putin. Anything else would be useless.

It isn’t though, non-offensive actions have effects too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That assumes that Russia has fair elections where voting would make a difference…

What non-offensive action could Lush’s production partner take that would make any difference?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They could just pff putin, no one would be offended.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I'll take an honest cunt over a deceitful cunt any day of the week.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think the article paints a pretty good portrait of a complicated but socially responsible business owner, even though I do think pulling out of Russia was the right thing to do even if it wasn't what he would've chosen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

That's the name of the game with carotidien. Profits at all costs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

And some people still say that the customers are helpless and calling for boycott doesn't work...

If people would demand other industries to be more in line with their moral values (like about climate change) that could also change a lot

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's good to know. Since Lush doesn't seem to sell their stuff in other retail locations, it will be much easier to never buy Lush products again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Atleast he isn't lying. Every other company is waiting for the right time to go back why shouldn't he? I am under no illusion that all businesses that left Russia did it because of the goodness of their hearts.

Are you going to boycott all the other business that left too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That picture looks like a cross between Leo Laporte and Robert DeNiro

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

"Hey, Call for Help is on!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dude's a greedy pig, what do you expect?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If you actually read the article it doesn't seem to be about the money:

Mr Constantine said: “It was horrible. I hated it because we have a very diverse workforce and lots of people who probably wouldn’t be welcome in Russia.

“We had a partner of 20 years in Russia who never cheated, never lied, and we had to tell him we weren’t going to supply him anymore.

(The Telegraph doesn't close some of their “quotes” for some reason)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As far as I remember, that's the correct use of continued quotation in English

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

huh, i didn't know that was a thing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Indeed. I'm reading the OG Frankenstein book and found this out when quotes were only at the start of a paragraph and never closed, for pages at a time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

lmao for a minute i thought the public was deeply invested in the remote control vibrator Lush by Lovense

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

We are! This isn't it though. Don't put this up there. It'll ruin the pH.

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