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[–] [email protected] 146 points 10 months ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 91 points 10 months ago

This is the dumbest comment I've ever seen. We couldn't possibly be daft enough to elect someone that young! And a woman nonetheless!

/s

[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'd totally vote for Dolly.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If I ever commit voter fraud, it would be to vote Dolly twice :)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

When it comes to Dolly I'm bipartisan - the left and the right!

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 10 months ago (24 children)

The people who think Trump should be allowed to run in spite of being an insurrectionist are the same people who support barring other justice-involved people from merely voting in an election

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

People keep saying the GoP will ~~recognize~~ abuse this but they underestimate how little I truly care about politicians. They seem to think everyone cares about politicians as much as they care about Trump. If someone gets disqualified for some minor reason, so what? Seems like a good filter to keep only newer people in the running.

People in politics for decades become corrupt. It happens with power and time. So if they find a way to disqualify Biden, I don’t really care. There’s a hundred million other people who could choose to run. Maybe Greg from down the street might have a shot if politicians who do shit get kicked to the curb when they do shitty shit

[edit] used a wrong word completely. Adding some additional language

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (2 children)

About a decade ago, due to a quirk in our voting system which has been changed, we had a senator elected from a fringe motoring enthusiast party - and he only got a fraction of a percent of the vote. He was actually quite good because he was wise enough to know that he didn't know things, so he sought the opinions of experts, and actually read and tried to understand legislation. Unfortunately he only had a short term, but I always use him as an example of how being a good politician isn't about being the smartest guy, it's just about listening to the experts and trying to represent the best interests of your citizens.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Much like Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I recall this being said about Kennedy. He surrounded himself with the best people he could find and didn't want to be the smartest person in the room. He was no stable genius either.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If someone gets disqualified for some minor reason, so what?

I see the point you're trying to make, but I wouldn't say attempting to overthrow our government to remain in power is a "minor" reason.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think they're saying the people who care about trump think it's too "minor" of a reason to disqualify him and if another candidate was disqualified for what they thought was a minor reason they wouldn't care.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

People keep saying the GoP will recognize this but they underestimate how little I truly care about politicians.

This isn't about you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Shit, I made a big typo. I mean to say “the GoP will abuse this” in regards to everyone saying using the 14th amendment to disqualify candidates.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's not even so much that they they become corrupt. It's that they become entrenched and as a result they end up wielding power that far exceeds their office. For example, Nancy Pelosi was ludicrously powerful for a mere House member, and Mitch McConnell almost single handedly dictates how half the Senate votes on many issues. A second term for Trump would be the end of America because he controls a huge cult on top of any formal powers he would get from being the President.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Career politicians are a cancer for any democracy. But I could also see term limits being another obstacle they overcome by plaguing various other elected positions and using the influence they've gathered.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Career politicians are a cancer for any democracy.

As are career lobbyists - who have an even easier time manipulating inexperienced newly-minted legislators. Term limits are a panacea as far as fixing our democracy is concerned.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And we thought by law Erdoğan could not run for presidency again, and yet did (also the first time because of his questionable university diploma but that is a story for another night kids)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'd like to hear that story

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (8 children)

This is the argument that Raphael Cruz was born in Canada and shouldn’t have been a contender for the Republican nomination. I support this logic.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Also, Cruz didn't move to the US until he was 4 years old. And his father became a Canadian Citizen right before the move and wasn't even a US Citizen until 2005.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If my old folks didn't read the Bible that they claim to know so much about, what makes you think they read the Constitution?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The good news is, they aren't judges. The bad news is, there are a lot of judges like your old folks.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They can't vote for people not on the ballot unless they are in a state that allows write-ins, and there's no chance Trump would win nationally as a write-in.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And even if he was written in, he is still ineligible in the state of Colorado.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Omg 35 ????? Thats kinda old

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's the idea. They wanted to ensure the president has a chance to build some wisdom. They didn't want youth in positions of power

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago

That's how you end up with an ice clown who builds an ice town

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Forgive me for being dumb, but I only see the 3 requirements for being president Link

Be a natural-born citizen of the United States Be at least 35 years old Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years

Can someone point out what I'm missing?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

See the 14th Amendment to the constitution, added after the civil war. It prevents citizens who have engaged in insurrection against the United States from being eligible to hold public office.

Edit: We really shotgunned you there, didn't we 🦆

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm curious why that only prevents people who have sworn an oath. Why should anyone who has engaged in insurrection be able to hold office? Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I am only half awake.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They didn't want to completely disenfranchise southerners after the Civil War. There's an argument to be made that they should have, but I can see their logic in not wanting to antagonize people while trying to put the country back together.

At the time, people were a lot more loyal to their states than to the US as a whole, so it would have been a lot like punishing patriots for fighting for their country.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Probably because they’ve proven that they won’t follow the oath they swore. So if they get reelected and swear the same oath (that they’ve already broken once) again, we already know they can’t be trusted to uphold it. So we don’t even give them the opportunity to be sworn in a second time.

But since an unsworn person never violated an oath of office, they’re still an unknown and could potentially be trusted. It’s a sort of “innocent until proven guilty” situation, where the person hasn’t broken any oath so by default they’re assumed to be trustworthy. But as soon as you break that oath, you’re not going to be trusted again.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Hey I appreciate the quick answers! Woke up recently and didn't feel like searching so thanks for doing the hard work for me.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (9 children)

14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

This is why Trump was taken off the ballot in Colorado. The court found that he engaged in insurrection.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress m****ay by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

14th amendment section 3, emphasis mine

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

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Robert Reich, @RBReich

Billie Eilish can't run for president. She is under 35.

Arnold Schwarzenegger can't run for president. He was born in Austria.

Donald Trump can't run for president. He engaged in and supported an insurrection.

It's in the Constitution, folks.

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