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[–] [email protected] 228 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (34 children)

"The whole Gaza Strip needs to be empty. Flattened. Just like in Auschwitz," Metula Mayor David Azoulai said in a radio interview on Sunday, according toThe Times of Israel. "Let it be a museum for all the world to see what Israel can do. Let no one reside in the Gaza Strip for all the world to see, because October 7 was in a way a second Holocaust."

How blinkered do you have to be to see the Hamas attacks on October 7 as akin to the Holocaust, but not see that your own determination to wipe out the entire people of Gaza resembles the genocidal intent behind the Holocaust?

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I had family die in the work camps, die in the chambers, and die in the ghettos. If Gaza needs to become Auschwitz because you're trying to shoehorn the Holocaust into the conversation, then October 7th was the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, you sick fuck. This mayor either needs a history lesson, a reminder to respect his family who died senselessly for their heritage, or would even do best to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. These blood-thirsty assholes need to figure out how to goddamn listen when others are crying before they repeat history's worst atrocities.

Here's a word I used to hear in Hebrew school and history lessons all the time: scapegoat. Look around you and try to identify who the scapegoat is. It ain't us this time... Also, read the fucking room. If many of your most ardent supporters are Nazis, you're probably doing a Nazi thing.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm just reading this on Wikipedia:

In 1939, German authorities began to concentrate Poland's population of over three million Jews into a number of extremely crowded ghettos located in large Polish cities. The largest of these, the Warsaw Ghetto, collected approximately 300,000–400,000 people into a densely packed, 3.3 km2 area of Warsaw. Thousands of Jews were killed by rampant disease and starvation under SS-und-Polizeiführer Odilo Globocnik and SS-Standartenführer Ludwig Hahn, even before the mass deportations from the ghetto to the Treblinka extermination camp began.

They crowded those people in a small area with a high population density and they started to die of disease and starvation. Gosh gee, why does that sound so familiar? 🫠

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And if the death of, by the latest count, 764 Israeli civilians is a Holocaust, what does that make the death of 12,000 Palestinian civilians?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

19000+ as of 4 days ago, and this is the minimum number since it only includes people Gazan hospitals physically counted.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the minds of those who see Palestinians as "untermenschen" - subhumans - their lives don't count the same as human lives. (An Israeli government official quite literally and openly in a press conference deemed Palestinians to be "human animals").

This shit we're seeing is the violent expression of the most cold, cruel and extreme racism, all endorsed and even militarilly and diplomatically supported by the US (which is the ultimate hypocrisy from such loudly self-proclaimed defenders of "freedom").

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And to actually say you wanted to recreate the horrors of it. Like explicitly say that. That's a special level of non-self-awareness.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Zionists are the new Nazis.

Treat Zionism like you would treat Nazism.

Treat Zionists like you would treat Nazis.

Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years, just to put things into perspective.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For some, "never again" means "never again let this happen to any People", to others, it means "never again let this happen to us". Unfortunately, it is much more common in the Israeli right to understand it the second way.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

the Isreali right

The Israeli right: flatten the whole place, I want to salt the earth so they have nowhere to return to and they're destroyed forever.

Israeli moderates: the IDF can have a little white phosphorous, as a treat

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

By all indications Germans (at least their political elites and a large part of the population) seem to have learned "never again" as being "never again do this to Jews" rather than "never again do this to other human beings", hence they keep on giving unwavering support to Israel.

The racism never ended, all that happenned is that an etnicity who were "one of them" became "one of us", hence the continued support of Israel and their actions: it's "those like us" doing it to "them", hence different moral limits if any apply than if it was "anybody vs those like us" (as it was in the Russian invasion of Ukraine were even a fraction done to Ukranians of what is being done to Palestinians led this very same German leadership to impose sanctions and break its long standing rules and start providing military help to the victims).

If there is one (somewhat surprising) thing this situation in Gaza brough to light, is how Germany doesn't seem to have learned the absolute nature of the Evil of hyper-racist ultranationalist Fascism, instead it's all seen as relative, the Evil being not in the nature of the actions but in the specific etnicity of the Fascists and their victims.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

For such people the limits on to the harm done to "them" are entirelly different of the limits on the harm done to "us" - it's the ultimate two-weights-two-measures and you can see that splattered all over Israeli propaganda (starting by the whole "it ain't terrorism if done by us" that anchors most of the messaging).

That said, these types being the full-blown german-style cold murderous ultra-racist Fascists, in their mind it's probably more "der ubermensch" vs "der untermensch" than "us" vs "them".

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Zionists and Nazis have disturbing amount of similarities. The whole world knows it.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The predecessors of Netanyahu's modern coalition actively cooperated with Nazi Germany so... yeah.

Edit: Now that I looked it up the matter, while there's a lot of legitimate criticism the Havaara agreement is a lot more nuanced than I assumed.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What one mayor said is only the tip of the iceberg.

You know you failed as a Jewish nation when the very museum dedicated as a reminder of your people's suffering and the holocaust which lead to the creation of your country is telling you you're a sick people.

I know there are many Israelis who are against what's happening and we shouldn't put everyone in the same basket, but man...

I really want the hostages to be returned safely and Hamas to take a hike, but it's hard to have any sympathy for Israel with how they acted towards Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know there are many Israelis who are against what’s happening and we shouldn’t put everyone in the same basket, but man…

I mean I see what you mean but Netanyahu is called the king of Israeli politics for a reason. They've consistently elected right wing genocidal maniacs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (13 children)

We should remember that it’s the hard right government of Israel that perpetuates this, not the average Israeli. They are heavily indoctrinated and propagandized. They are victims too.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Is that what we should do for the Nazis? Have sympathy for them and the Nazi propaganda at the time? Mass killing is not ok period. Sympathy be damned.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but. I mean. So were the Germans during WW2 under the Nazi regime. Is that really a good excuse?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

True, but they are the same people that keep voting in the far right. It's the same in many countries at the moment.nthe far right is not supported by all, but by enough to gain power.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (12 children)

SMH, what is the world coming to when the Auschwitz museum is run by an antisemite.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Maybe Congress should pass a bill condemning the Auschwitz museum for antisemitism?

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know the asshat who made the comments was just a nobody hick but I'm ecstatic the museum decided to reply to it.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If someone uses your name to justify cruelty, no matter how insignificant the person may be, it's always worth speaking up.

People could also take the Museum's silence on the matter as affirmation.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

If someone uses your name to justify cruelty, no matter how insignificant the person may be, it’s always worth speaking up.

It's going to take an eternity for God and his son to get caught up on this.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, so that means the Auschwitz Museum is... checks notes anti-Semitic!

Makes sense.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Here's what everyone should be worried about given this talk:

Israel has nuclear weapons, and the U.S. has worked hard to ensure opposing countries like Iran would not be able to have them.

And now Israel's government is under the thumb of a bunch of genocidal maniacs who don't give a shit about anything.

I'm thinking we all ought to invest in civil defense, or have some kind of plan B.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Which is hilarious because for decades the party line has been to not allow the Iranians because they're not rational. They still aren't but neither is Israel.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

Dude did not understand the assignment. Auschwitz wasn't made as a memorial. It was made by the Nazis and turned into a memorial later.

To create a new Auschwitz in Gaza as a demonstration of Israeli power is not to create a museum. Well it might be, but it won't be a museum to Israeli power anymore than Auschwitz is one to German power.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"terrorism can never be a response to terrorism."

Great words, but israel is proving them false.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Oh it can for sure, it just shouldn't

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (28 children)

Wow is Israel the new Nazi state?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Has been for decades.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel did Lebensraum in 1949, so they've been a Nazi state since about that long ago.

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