Definitely not. The same reason back then as it is now. Namely: I don't trust Meta to not try to destroy the fediverse

I'm skeptical anything good will come out of it, but I'm glad if I'm wrong. Meta is about making money. The fediverse is a direct competitor to everything and anything they do. I don't think Meta is interested in integrating with the fediverse. I think they want to dominate the fediverse. But that's just me.

was no

still is no

Threat.

Whatever the stated reasons for joining the fediverse might be, the actual reason is to enhance data scrping capabilities.

I still feel strongly against it.

I’ll possibly end up leaving the Fediverse and finding a nice forum where I know corpos will never ruin.

I'm so disappointed that it isn't an overwhelming majority of votes against federating with Meta. How do most people not realize this is just their chance to take advantage of the fediverse? And like haven't we heard enough bad things about Meta to avoid them?

I am extremely against federating with Threads.

Their goal is pretty standard affair.

1. Claim to be simply making yourself part of the group for the benefit of everyone. We're all gonna be friends, this is good for you, you'll see.
2. Use your position and resources to make yourself the defacto way to use the tech. Bonus points of you can make the average person see you and said tech as being one in the same.
3. Once you have gathered a high enough percentage of the users, simply make changes or take other actions that will cut yourself off from everywhere else, effectively cutting off those users from anywhere that is not you. Since most of them are already "your" users, barely any of them will even notice anything change, let alone care.
4. Repeat previous steps for any new competing service that covers along to threaten you.

For me personally there are two main forces at play here:

1. I generally dislike and distrust Facebook/Meta as a company, I don't use their products, and I think my life is better off because of it. I acknowledge that they have also been an accessory to a lot of toxic shit, such as political/emotional manipulation, privacy and user data violations, etc.

2. Having said that, as someone who values and supports the idea of a free and decentralized internet built on top of open protocols, I also recognize that it's a very good thing when some of the larger players in internet technology adopt new free and open standards like ActivityPub.

I don't really know for sure, but I'd have to guess that the venn diagram overlap of people who care about the fediverse and people who genuinely like Meta/Facebook/Instagram/etc, is pretty fucking narrow. We'd be fools to ignore the real harm that this company and the people who run it have done (or at least catalyzed). And still, it'd also be pretty unfair and ignorant to brush off the things that Meta has done that range from being harmless to even being positive, such as maintaining and committing to some very popular and important open source projects. There is some nuance here, should we choose to see it...

So when I look at it objectively I land on feeling something between skepticism and cautious optimism.

I'm perfectly willing to call Meta out for doing bad things while acknowledging when they do things that are good. And as someone who believes that centralized social media is toxic and bad, and who also believes that a federated, community-driven internet is in all of our mutual best interest, I'm willing to give Meta a chance to participate as long as they are a good faith participant (which kind of remains to be seen, of course).

From a tech standpoint, as an open protocol, I think ActivityPub will benefit when Meta and other big players adopt it.

From a cultural standpoint, I'm also pretty confident that Mastodon, Misskey, PixelFed, Lemmy, Kbin, etc., have a decent set of tools for dealing with whatever problems arise with regards to things like moderation, data scraping, EEE, etc.. Some instances will undoubtedly choose to defederate, as is their prerogative, but other instances will choose to deal with the tradeoffs of a larger userbase--and that's the Fediverse working as intended, imo.

Meta are war criminals. Period.

If you support Meta attaching to the fediverse, you are welcoming war criminals and their quislings to becoming part of the fediverse.

I sincerely hope most of us in the fediverse are better than that or I'm going to have to search for a new social media home.

I don't like meta as a company.

But I don't want to exclude a bunch of people just because they decided to use a server owned by meta. It's not like the server is a community dedicated to hurting people or promoting hate speech or something, and I don't want to punish people just because they're not savvy enough to understand the problems with meta. Let them federate and just don't follow any of them if you're not interested in any of them.

Defederating isn't going to benefit us or hurt meta, it's just gonna hurt the people who use threads.

I hope they federate

Meta has a very bad track record, but on the other hand I would be happy to be able to follow famous people that are only on Threads from my privacy-respecting services.

I see Threads federation something like an RSS feed. It's not inherently bad per se.

Does anyone know a decently sized mastodon instance that's defederated from Threads? I need to move from mastodon.world which wants to wait and see what Threads does. I moved to mastodon to get away from mainstream social media and I don't want any of Threads content in my feed. So please suggest some instances!

More awareness is always good to take. That's said my own personal instance will defederate because damn meta

I don't see how it's a threat. They can't take over the whole federation.

Was no and still no. BTW, here's me viewing a Threads profile from mastodon.world on Moshidon

I don't care either way, but I hope they'd be welcome as long as they kept their instance cleaned of the kind of things other instances have been defederated for.

If meta wants all the data there are plenty of other ways to get it, pretending the fediverse is an impenetrable shield is silly. And maybe more people will learn about the fediverse in this way.

The fediverse isnt a competition and nor we we should try to replace gaint companies(even tho that it would be great) rather stay as a free alternative to those platforms.