"southern pride" is just racism alllll cleaned up. so much racism.
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I don't disagree, but I'm saying it's not that that I like. It's the musical style, I really like it. I love Freebird and Sweet Home Alabama, Ramblin' Man by the Allman Brothers, Frankenstein by Edgar Winter, tons of really good songs.
Sweet Home Alabama really grinds my gears. Neil Young sings about systemic racism in the south and Skynard retorts 'yea some people here are racist βͺ but not all of us are βͺ frig off Neil Youngβͺ whoa now look at the sky'. Horse shit lyrics, sick composition.
There's some styles that are more folky that are much nicer in terms of subject
oh i agree, i love folk music.. all of that old school 'country rock' is great. not so much the twangy country/western
Allmans are great. I grew up loving Skynyrd, but I can't really listen to most of it anymore. Check out "Play it all night long" by Warren Zevon for a pretty brutal mockery of "Sweet home Alabama".
I'm REALLY looking forward to that! I've liked Warren Zevon ever since Linda Ronstadt recorded "Poor poor pitiful me." And who doesn't like "Werewolves of London?"
Since you chose CDB, here is an interesting bit of trivia about that song in particular:
The song uses a clever play on words to promote Southern rock music. ... The "it" that the South is going to do again, it is implied, is to produce additional popular rock groups.
Daniels factually bristled at more nefarious interpretations of what the "it" was. ... Daniels told Billboard, "I'm damn proud of the South, but I sure as hell am not proud of the Ku Klux Klan. I wrote the song about the land I love and my brothers. It was not written to promote hate groups."
Maybe use the songs as an opportunity for discussion ... or save it for your kid-free time.
That's so cool! Kinda like when proud Americans sing Born in the USA not realizing the actual meaning.
But. At the same time, if you need to pull up a Wikipedia article for people to not think you are a piece of shit, does it matter?
It is the Pepe the frog situation (that actually was a lot more complicated but). Some people used it because they wanted to take the meme back. Most used it to represent hate and bigotry. I know what I assumed when I saw it posted
Speaking only for myself, I generally try to contextualize before I write someone off as a "piece of shit"
I imagine you could take any popular song from today and find fault in 50 years as cultural norms change.
And if someone is listening to an anti robot anthem on the hover train, people will assume they are an asshole.
This is no different than any other media. Multiple shows have made the joke that 80s comedy films were basically nothing but rape. And that is why you have the really awkward conversations when you recommend one.
I was always surprised that all the biggest Skynyrd fans I knew seemed to know none of the lyrics, because thwy all lived the opposite of them.
RACISM IS WRONG- The Ballad of Curtis Lowe
DRUGS AND ALCOHOL ARE BAD- Needle And The Spoon, That Smell
CAPITALISM SUCKS- Working For MCA
GUNS ARE BAD - Saturday Night Special
FIGHTING IS A BAD IDEA- Gimme Three Steps
Thats all I can remember at the moment, but I should add that Alabama fucking sucks and always has. I know. Trust me.
The leftist stuff goes under the name Alt Country. Bottle Rockets, Drive by Truckers, Uncle Tupelo, Steve Earl, ...
Woody Guthrie has entered the chat...
I truly just want bangers. Looking forward to the search.
Have you had a listen to Drive-By Truckers? Southern rock without the yee haw rebel pride.
I never expected all the recommendations I've received, but I'm damned happy about it!
Happy jamming!
at a certain point southern rock & country changed from actual rebellion (Cops are bastards, Vietnam was a mistake, an unjust law needs a kick in the pants) to "I'm an oppressed martyr because someone told me I'm not allowed to be a dick to other people. America is great! ~~jihad jihad jihad~~"
How about Tom Petty? Southern rocker with great lyrics and no bullshit. One of the greats as far as I'm concerned.
LOVE Tom Petty. I used to rent a room from his high school teacher at GHS. She said "Tommy Petty" wouldn't write papers, but he would write and play songs instead, so she let him do that. They were "god-awful" according to her.
I feel the same way about a lot of modern hip-hop and pop music. I really enjoy the music but I just can't relate in any way to the bragging lyrics about having loads of money.
Feel like I've heard the Lamborghini Urus casually mentioned in about a dozen UK hip-hop tracks over the past 6 months..
They're just not timeless. If you were to go back in time to sell your ancestors on a song from the future, a lyric like "me wearing my Oaklies and taking a Polaroid selfie in Times Square" is probably not gonna translate so well. Therefore the song's message is probably superficial.
Not all hip-hop obviously, Pharcyde are pretty solid lyrically.
I actually have a sub dedicated to calculating how timeless a song is:
For fans of Pharcyde, check out Del The Funky Homosapian, aka Deltron 3030 for some albums, and a prominent member of the Heiroglyphics crew (who are also similarly lyrically inclined.) Idk how it'll rank on your timeless-o-meter but he's the only dude I've ever heard say "lurid" in a song.
Edit: OH and fans of Gorillaz will recognize his voice, he rapped on some of their biggest tracks.
You are underthinking it.
Check out the band Larkin Poe. Great southern sound without any of the "rise again" BS. In fact, a lot of their stuff is counter to that culture.
Sturgill Simpson uses a fair amount of vulgar language, but his music frequently has a better message. Sometimes hidden meanings, etc.
You sing them lullabies where babies fall out of trees.
They'll be fine
Never too soon to learn that life is fragile and we all careen inevitably towards death!
Iβm a fan of Lucero. The lead singer definitely has a Southern accent, but I havenβt noticed any questionable lyrics or glorification of ignorant redneck bullshit. No βcodesβ or dogwhistles. Maybe you should check them out.
I irrationally hate the South: its music, its culture, its history, and its people.
This is tragically unfair of me and I admit that I'm embarrassed that I haven't quite shaken myself of that, but I will keep trying
That said, I'll listen to Johnny Cash all day every day
Johnny Cash is a saint
Johnny Cash is a thing of the spirit
"Outlaw country" - Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Kristoffer Kristofferson and the like - is solid music all around.
Would you like to come hang out sometime? NW Florida here. I REALLY mean that. I'm asking and I'm serious.
I got a couple of spare rooms, loads of things to do around here if you like outdoors stuff. Floating the rivers and creeks in kayaks and such is my jam. Stop on random sandbanks, swap in a cold beer, eat a little, explore, move on.
I've never lived anywhere where people were less racist. I know, hard to believe. I live on the edge of a redneck town. My street is ~30% black, the rest white. We got one Asian! And I will marry her this Friday. Everyone is coming.
I cannot clap hard enough for your honest post. You must be a fine person for having said all that out loud and I love you for it. I'm embarrassed by my little prejudices as well, and I hate those god damned limits I put on myself. We get past those by travelling and sharing. Only way I know.
DM me and I'll tell you where we're at.
Man, that spring-feed water is COLD! I'm a Florida boy myself, and I love doing all that stuff you mentioned. I hope he takes you up on the offer because the world needs more connection.
Nice job stranger. Keep up the good work.
Idk how old your kids are, but if/when they're old enough to have a conversation with nuance, just talk with them about the myth of the Lost Cause. Maybe watch some Checkmate Lincolnites videos on YouTube to help. This applies to all sorts of topics of discussion, by the way. Have a fact-based conversation once they are ready, and land on your opinions and show that you arrived there based on the facts as you understand them, encouraging them to take the same sort of approach to any nuanced conflict. In this way, you can still enjoy the music you like without necessarily condoning the message. But keep in mind that unless you're pirating that music, you're still financially supporting the artist, so do with that information what you will.
If they aren't ready for such a complex discussion, you can still make it clear that you like the guitars, drums, etc but not the lyrics, and you can say that the song is about people being mean to people who don't deserve it and tease that you can talk about it more when they get a little older.
Idk if it's relevant to you at all, but I rediscovered the Southerner album by Trent Dabbs recently and it's pretty solid if you want something a little country-ish without being so problematic. Paper Trail in particular is a fucking vibe.
So the question is: "what if that thing I said?"
Headphones?
Not really Freebird but you can check out Nick Shoulders or Willi Carlisle.