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And nearly half of the voters in the US think, “yeah that’s who I want leading my country.” This includes half of my extended family (the math at least checks out).
I will never understand the sheer lack of independent and critical thinking in the US. I get that the underfunded education system, the complete takeover of editorial news outlets which have never put forth actual news, and the inability for most people to shut up long enough to listen to reason, are just a very small number of examples of why America is in the state that it is; but at the end of the day, can’t people at least see evil when it’s speaking evil things to them? Is this what they truly want — a dictator who has used them, who doesn’t represent them at all, and who will do everything possible to rip apart the bonds of democracy?
Why are people so easily brainwashed?
Why are people so easily brainwashed?
Lack of education. If your people had learned about Hitler in school (how he came to power and not just how the glorious allies under AMERICAN leadership won the war), they would have recognized the playbook of the Republicans and Trump especially long ago.
This isn't it. I was raised conservative in a red state. People are aware of the Nazis, they can explain how to use critical thinking and why critical thinking is important, and they even have awareness that racism and oppression by wealthy elites of politically powerless poor folk is a problem. How can they reach conclusions that disregard everything I just mentioned? The same way that many lawyers and professors become right-wing despite their education and fact-finding skills.
They have faith that the ideas they have based their worldview on are correct and work backwards from that conclusion. Whatever their motivation for uncritical belief of some fundamental premise doesn't matter because their whole ego and sense of self is tied up with those concepts being true. They don't have political conversations, just opportunities to re-assert some cliche perhaps dressed up by some poetic philosophical language so that other who happen to identify with those beliefs will know that they're on the correct side. Cognitive dissonance is so pronounced they would almost always avoid it entirely rather than work through it at a certain point. Some I've spoken to are aware that their philosophy is full of contradictions, so their defense is to consider it normal to have contradictory beliefsand demonstrate this by pointing them out from other partisan hacks. They didn't reason themselves into their beliefs, reason is only to find a credible way their beliefs are correct.
The really irritating part is that they'd see your second paragraph there and say "they get it! The damn left just works backwards from their convictions. They don't think about anything, they just feel it!"
They'd read all that and say "not me, you." and they'd be partially correct as obviously some on the left do the same thing.
It can definitely be frustrating, and I see this tendency as a similar projection to what I mentioned about admitting to holding contradictory beliefs by suggesting it's the norm across politics to hold contradictory beliefs. Because the other side is secretly a lying, election stealing, authoritarian, fascist party they have license to be the same to remain competitive. It doesn't matter that there's a lack of evidence for that to be the case since their enemies are so cunning, manipulative, and reasonable sounding. If someone is good at making a reasonable argument opposed to your belief, they are an agent of the enemy there to brainwash you.
In pressing some of these beliefs I've had all kinds of interesting rebuttals. I've learned that all academics studying Climatology throughout the entire world are in on a conspiracy to promote the "climate change" hoax to enrich themselves at the expense of only American conservatives who are the only people on earth to know the truth. When I pointed out the living situation of the average academic, it turns out I'm brainwashed. Someone honestly told me that. After providing a list of resources to support my argument, I've also heard that all publicly available data in general is all falsified to promote leftism. Real information might be found at the library if they ever get the time to find their source and get back to me. You only have to experience the charade so many times before you see in black and white that these beliefs are part of group identity rather than the product of forming an individual opinion. There isn't a debate happening, it's just me trying to include as much objective data in our conversation as I can find while they dismiss everything to protect their fragile worldview. I often change my opinion based on new information, even sometimes from conservatives if the objective data they came across happened to support their worldview in some way. The only times I've managed to get through conservative opinions is when it's a young person realizing how much they've been lied to. I was that young person once.
There are plenty of idiot liberals around because there are parts of the country where you can fall into that belief system without ever having to think about anything. These individuals will become conservative the moment they hear the right rhetoric. There are of course plenty of liberals who understand their own beliefs who I have had good and productive conversations with of course. A conservative who understands their own beliefs is someone you really need to watch your back around because they are the ones inventing and perpetuating conservative delusions for their own benefit.
The most recent On The Media podcast has a section about this (Trump reporting and why people don't get it that he's stupid, crazy AND evil) that I feel like didn't go far enough. They have a guest talking who literally says "The journalists aren't doing their job, to inform the public." I wanted to respond "NO, they ARE doing their job. Their job isn't to inform the public, it's to make $$$ by creating content that maximizes consumer engagement, while pushing narratives that appeal to their CEOs and shareholders. They're doing EXACTLY their job. THAT'S the problem."
Research Hitler's rise to power and also the rise of fascism generally. Also look up "boiled frog"
Also maybe read this TL;DR: by GPT. I think the big thing is people feel powerless to stop him. Also nobody wants him to be a martyr. There are plenty others, some worse, that would take his place.
Ask a 1930s German adult. Fear. Whether it be a crashing economy, immigration, whatever. If you can get the fear hooks in them, you can absolutely get people to vote against their interests.
It's scary how he isn't even subtle about it either. Even less subtle than his previous plans to overthrow the government (and I'm in Australia, and it wasn't even subtle with the limited US political media here)
Last time he was going to let us all die from covid.
This time he is actively going to hunt and kill us all.
Welcome to squid games bitches!!
(p.s. this orange kunt will never be president again)
(p.s. this orange kunt will never be president again)
I sincerely hope and wish you are correct. But last I heard he was ahead in the polls. 😱
The democrats really should have gone with a new face rather than Biden round 2.
Put AOC up there tomorrow and she will win.
Keep Biden up there and he will lose.
Just shows how the voice and the vote of the people doesn't matter.
The Party does what The Party does.
Maybe we should follow Trump's advice from 2016 and explore the second amendment option.
Biden is funding genocide and is working in creating mechanisms that allow him to do so behind closed doors.
He has also made a few limp wristed pushes for things he has not delivered on, but if he is renewed, he has said he wants to TRY to do some of the things he promised some more.
To repeat, Biden funding of the genocide of Palestine sailed through with massive success.
Democrats need to find something better to offer. Fast.
Biden is still the best choice. People will vote for him until they can't.
Indeed. Need to vote all democrat down the ticket (hopefully with good choices in primaries) for the moment to preserve American democracy and freedom. Once the current fascist/authoritarian push is in the rear view mirror, then we can work on better choices.
This is Biden's last chance at a second term, he will not try again if he loses to Trump. Trump on the other hand will probably keep trying until he is dead, in prison, or his health in old age drags him down; Here's hoping Biden wins this one, and by 2028 Trump's health will be in decline/prevent him from running.
The problem is "for the moment to preserve American democracy and freedom" winds up being every election, unless a genuine leftward push is made at some point down the line.
If that leftward push never happens, every election is a choice between temporarily halting fascism, and allowing fascism to metastasize.
The "left" does not control enough of the government to make a serious leftward push. All they can currently manage is halting the advance.
Thanks for saying it so clearly.
People would rather vote for the slow death of America than the fast death of America.
People. You don't need to vote for the death of America. You have that choice.
They conditioned you to think you must support evil.
We can still show that we don't support evil.
Are you talking about protesting by not voting or wasting a vote on a 3rd party? Without ranked choice voting, the only good spot for that is primaries and small local elections. The lesser of two evils is still the lesser of two evils. Life will be a hell of a lot worse for tons of people if the former guy wins again.
There is no way a third-party candidate wins in our system. It's simply not possible and to vote for one is to split the party vote. Look what happened with the Bull-Moose party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_United_States_presidential_election The rules haven't changed since so this is all you could expect from trying to get people to switch. You'd hand it over to Trump.
*concentration camps
Bill Burr in the background! Wonder when his wife flipped off Trump? I hope she doesn't apologize, I'll be disappointed.