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Pathfinder: should I start with Kingmaker or Wrath of the Righteous? Or it doesn't matter? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hi!

So a few days ago, a friend of mine recommended me this game (just to be clear, I'm talking about the videogame) and it seemed really interesting. He kept talking about Wrath of the Righteous but as I looked it up later, I found out about Kingmaker.

I didn't really get any conclusive answer on whether I should play through the first one and then Wrath of the Righteous or not, so I'm guessing it doesn't really matter story-wise.

Nonetheless, since I didn't see anything regarding this game here on Lemmy, and in an effort to drive up some discussion and/or add to our small but growing knowledge base, I come to you with this question.

Also, do you like the games? And which one do you recommend to start with?

Thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've finished Kingmaker and WotR is in my backlog.

Pathfinder is a really decent RPG system with tons of choice, but the game Kingmaker comes out as quite linear, you don't really have much choice in how you play the game apart from being good or evil.

The game is split between being a typical adventure explorer RPG and being a kingdom management game, the former is interesting and has good quests, the latter is opaque, difficult to get to grips with and inflexible.

The worse part is no matter your best intentions, it you don't do exactly the right things with your kingdom you can find yourself in a dire losing position by the late game.

I don't mind games that have failure conditions, but losing the Kingmaker game after 30+hrs of playtime because your kingdom starts rioting and you can't complete any events seems too harsh to me.

Personally I had to turnoff all the failure conditions in the options so that I could grind through the game to get through the final quests, it ended up leaving a bitter taste for the game which started off as promising.

I hear most of these issues have been addressed in WotR though so I'm looking forward to picking up that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the more people mention, the more that kingdom management part is not looking good. Thankfully, as someone already mentioned, there are mods to handle both that and the crusade management part in WotR. But turning off all failure conditions is also a good option to keep in mind, so thanks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I had a bug where I didnt get a treasurer until late in the game. So I kept losing to stupid bullshit over and over because my guy was underleveeled and I had a huge backlog of things for him to do. I just ended up using cheat engine and giving myself a hundreds of the +% success tokens to make it playable late game.