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It's harmful, especially at that age. Psychologicaly it triggers a sense of violation of person. It's a sense of privacy being shattered.
Also not all people experience sexual awakening/understand they are sexual beings, by 14 or even 18. It is confusing/harmful to have that forced upon you.
Talk to a close female friend or your mother regarding how they feel about the AI deepfakr, and how they'd react in highschool if this happened to them. Really listen to the answer and you'll gain a better understanding of the harm done.
It isn't forced upon them though, they're not even involved.
Privacy has not been shattered because this is not something that happened in private. In fact, these nudes didn't happen in reality at all. It's imagined, either via AI or via human.
Said harm is because of social stigma and shame regarding perceptions of being seen nude, which is what I referred to as being weird. It is a vestige of our puritanical past that we could do without.
Now, if these girls are being harassed, that's a different matter, that can happen with or without deep fakes. I'm pretty sure we already have methods of dealing with that.
This has big "if you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to fear" energy.
"Why would you hide behind clothes? Do you have something to hide?"
Look man, I think our past is puritanical too. However, this is just... I don't even know how to defend such a skeevy/creepy opinion.
People do feel violated by such actions, even when they don't have people harassing them. You can't lecture us and say they don't. You're not the arbiter of how other people feel about things, and feeling violated has nothing to do with prudishness. That's damage and emotional harm, and you hand-waving it away is pretty fucking gross.
Agreed
If we were talking about someone getting photos of these people nude through their window or similar, I would agree with you, It would be a violation, but that's not what we're discussing.
Feeling violated is not sufficient cause to criminalize this technology. There must be actual harm and I do not believe emotional distress over people looking at facsimiles of a nude photo clears this bar.
If drawing an illustration of someone nude from imagination is not illegal, neither should this be.
AI has no idea what they look like through their clothes, it imagines it based on a data set of other nudes. Deep fakes will never show whatever they want to hide.
They will be when it is spread to peers.
If it spreads from peers to them and affects them negatively, it's arguably harassment, which there are existing methods for dealing with. No different than if it were an offensive doodle or mean gossip, which are also unwanted creations.
And what happens in 15 years when an employer finds out that there are images of them doing porn on the internet? How are they going to explain it's fake when their boss tells them that is the sort of reputation that is harmful to the company?
Well, if they are fake I suspect they will say that. If an employer fires them for something they did not do, that's a huge lawsuit.
As for proving it, I'm not sure how one does that when this technology matures. Perhaps metadata? Fake porn images have been an issue for some time but usually one can tell if they've been doctored, I don't know if that's the case with AI deep fakes in the future. Maybe we will need AI to determine if images are AI generated.
I take it you've never been to America before.
I live in America, and let me tell you we love lawsuits, for better or worse. If you're referring to at will employment states we're beyond my expertise, I am not a lawyer.
Are you sure you live in America?
Yep. Again, I am not a lawyer, but I imagine that your example might be a case for wrongful termination as Sexual harassment, which is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
How is terminating someone for having done porn sexual harassment? Please show the law code which defines it that way since you're looking up legal issues.
" I am not a lawyer" x2
"Okay, cite legal code like you're a lawyer""
Really?
Is it hard to imagine that bringing in deep fake porn into the office, wrongfully accusing someone of being a porn star, then firing them because of it might be considered sexual harassment?
Yes, it is hard to believe because that isn't in any way sexual harassment.
Found the guy that makes cp of teenagers using AI
Clearly that's the only reason why I could possibly disagree? Lol, get bent. I just don't think we should make kids into criminals for using technology to imagine what their classmates look like naked.
I think they (the kids) and should face suspensions and expulsion, but legal repurcussions are an entirely different thing when you consider how many mistakes teens make. I don't think it should be entirely free of legal repurcussions, but would agree that kids are kids.
It's always tough when discussing teens because some absolutely know what they're doing to others and fully intend to be harmful, while others think they're just performing a prank.