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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (7 children)

At some point, the people of Afghanistan should be able to take control of their own country. How can a vast majority of the people sit there and let a tiny percentage dictate the lives and rules for everyone? Kick the Taliban out of your country.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The problem is that the Taliban have popular support. The media don't want to report it, but this is a society where public life has always been under the purview of men, it's a largely Muslim country, very rural, and the alternative power centers there are chock full of child molesters and corrupt individuals. The Taliban, despite their strong ideological position, has a lot going for them. They're not taking bribes to sell out their values. They're capable of maintaining stability. Even if people disagree with some or other things about them, theyre better than the alternatives. Fact is, they're in power there because they're the only organization capable of holding power there.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

it’s a largely Muslim country

Pretty much all the Abrahmic religions do this shit when they're in power...

I wouldn't have pointed it out, because it's kind of like saying the sky is blue. But from the rest of your comment it seems like you legitimately think it's just Muslims., And not that entire religious family

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (13 children)

It's not just Muslims that are fundamentalist extremists. But of every major religion, Islam has the highest rate of that kind of extremism. There are plenty of Christian countries which are socially progressive and endorse modern sensibilities. No Muslim countries are.

I have a dear friend of mine who is a religious minority in Egypt (she's a Copt). The paranoia that she and her parents have when interacting with Muslims is saddening, because of how it's been justified. Her church has lost several members to religious violence, and she's lived through a suicide bombing which happened at that church and targeted Christians.

I'm not saying there aren't Christian extremists. There are. But the Muslim extremist problem is an order of magnitude larger within that faith.

Judge individual Muslims for their own beliefs. But there is no Christian version of the Taliban state or ISIS. And Islam is to blame for the actions of its extremist adherents writ large. It desperately needs a religious reformation, but instead, the Saudis are still chopping the heads off of people who offend their religious police.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Feels like a geopolitical issue more than a religious issue.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I said Muslim once. The rest of my comment is about Afghanistan.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It reminds me of Iraq right before 9/11 happened.. ye they had a piece of shit dictator Sadam; absolutely. But they wasn't being bombed to smithereens. And in the mess of war in Iraq the ISIS were able to fuck shit up n grow , even growing into syria, Afghanistan n maybe other countries...

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can a vast majority of the people sit there and let a tiny percentage dictate the lives and rules for everyone?

As an American looking at American policy right now...that's ironic.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah but they're extremists and terrorists who want to control all aspects of the media, stop women from having rights over their bodies and return to their place in society serving men, criminalize everything that goes against their religious beliefs and restrict voting and democracy to preserve their 'values', carry guns with them everywhere and fanatically praise their leaders.

Err, there's some differences somewhere I'm sure..

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (30 children)

No shit. The second we left they fell apart. No resistance.

As far as I'm concerned we should only help those that help themselves, like Ukraine is doing. Afghanistan has always been Taliban simps. Those women know where their men sleep and have knives ffs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I suppose the devil they know is better than the one they don’t know.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

The problem is that “the people of Afghanistan” don’t see themselves as a united people. Regional and tribal ties are far, far stronger in the region than any true sense of national identity outside of “let’s cooperate just long enough to kick these fucking foreigners out”. Immediately after that’s accomplished, the region regresses into very old-school power politics and warlord fiefdoms. This has happened twice now in the space of 50 years. The truly galling point, though, is that US leaders and officials should have known this… but there were effectively zero coherent plans to handle that aspect of the occupation.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can a vast majority of the people sit there and let a tiny percentage dictate the lives and rules for everyone?

Is that a serious question?

The vast majority of the world lives like that...

Even in first world countries.

I'm American, and a very very tiny percentage of other Americans hold the vast amount of wealth and use it to buy the majority of both parties off so that literally no matter who wins any election, they're going to be someone that puts corporate profits over the average American.

Where do you live that's truly led by the majority?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of the Afghanistan problem is that they have no national identity, they're a collection of tribes and warlords, so the only united group in the country is the Taliban, and the Taliban has a lot of help from Pakistan and other regional powers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What in the racist fuck is this generalization?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same way stuff happens in the USA... inequality n disparity keeps growing... The ruling / wealthy 🤑 class keeps consolidating wealth n we all just go on with our lives... Don't we?