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Vladimir Putin has ordered the conscription of another 133,000 soldiers to aid his war in Ukraine.

The 18-to-30 year olds will be called up between tomorrow and December 31, but parents have raised fear that the untrained conscripts will be thrust straight into ‘hot’ border regions close to the war zone.

The figure is higher than the same draft last year when Putin recruited 130,000, and in spring when he drafted another 150,000.

The Russian regime is facing an increasing backlash over use of conscripts close to the war zone in defiance of an earlier Putin promise to parents that he would not put recruits in harm’s way.

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[–] [email protected] 153 points 1 month ago (5 children)

You really have to wonder where the breaking point is at this point.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It just shows how effective top down propaganda is.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Propaganda? It's called oppression. It's literally illegal for people to complain about this.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I won’t disagree, but the controlled narrative the Kremlin pushes is still very much the definition of propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

And you need the propaganda to have effective oppression.

Putin has to have his official narrative in order to mandate that anything else is a lie.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It can be two things. It’s a machine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I can't remember what podcast I was listening to, maybe a Dan Carlin series, but it was talking about how in this post industrialization + propaganda era the breaking point for nations is far FAR more extreme than it was in the before times.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The British gave time, the Americans gave money, the Soviets gave blood.

The Russian capacity to throw seemly endless bodies toward a goal is virtually part of their mythos. The above quote is from Stalin in regards to defeating the Nazis. The situation couldn't be more different, other than in the propaganda coming from Putin.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

That's when people bred like rabbits, Russian fertitility has been dropping for decades and their 21-30 cohort is one of the smallest anongst the population.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I find myself wondering if this is even perceived as a negative at all by the public. Certain people no doubt look at service as a job opportunity and some actually support the goals of the war and believe Putin’s hype about fighting Nazis.

Has the war effort even gotten through those types yet? Is it really taking fathers away from their families? Are those fathers not bought in on the war?

This is what I worry about. That Russia is not even straining yet, let alone close to breaking.