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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

as reported in Vietnam.net, it's possible Steam has been taken down in Vietnam after local game developers complained about the scope and size of Steam's vast portfolio of games, claiming Vietnamese devs cannot compete with Steam's releases given they are subject to government approval and thousands of international games on Steam are not.

Citing it as "an injustice to domestic publishers", Vietnamese studios reportedly say that local game development "will die" if Steam is able to keep releasing games without the same government scrutiny as domestic games.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like the problem here is the "government scrutiny" not steam.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes so this is how NATO/WEF shilling works... destroy native development and make a country the host for western parasites to suck money.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's nice being able to love in people's heads rent-free.

#NAFO

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Did not know NAFO trolls existed on Lemmy. But then, some NATO/OTAN profile pic accounts exist, so no surprise.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Love how people like you have to bring in NATO into everything. As if it has anything to do with Vietnam banning Steam.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Love how people like you instantly come to NATO's rescue, when Vietnam banning Steam should not ruffle the jimmies of westoids. Turns out, "government scrutiny" is bad when Vietnam wants to protect its native game developers, according to some people here. It is okay if Steam digests them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What exactly do you think NATO has to do with this situation?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What exactly do you think did "government scrutiny" mean by the above poster, an idea you seem to defend? It is meant to refer to the communist Vietnam government as authoritarian, because they refuse to let USA's Steam destroy the indie game dev scene. NATO has everything to do with every single prominent USA or Europe based service or platform, which includes Steam. Steam spies on DNS cache of users for some mysterious reason too.

What exactly do you think USA/NATO has not to do with Steam and colonising the game dev scenes around the world? It accomplishes western imperialist proxy colonisation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you have the slightest clue about what NATO actually is.

Because they have nothing to do with Vietnam choosing to ban steam.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If NATO countries benefit from laissez faire market crap, it kinda does. Vietnam must have thought quite well about the loss of western market, when protecting its game developers. Vietnam is not a country that hates globalisation, but it will take whatever necessary steps for protection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

NATO is a military alliance. Being part of NATO does not grant you any benefits in any market beyond perhaps weapon sales.

Being part of NATO has no meaning when it comes to game development, and sales, global otherwise.

So again. I ask the question. Why do you think NATO has anything to do with the topic?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Lmao you really have no idea what NATO is. You just use it as a buzz word

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So if I publish a game on steam I am now a colonizer? If I am a Vietnamese citizen who downloads a game that hasn't gone through "government scrutiny" am I now a collaborator? What if I am a Vietnamese game developer that has published directly to steam without giving a shit about whatever censorship my government is trying to implement? Should I be sent to reeducation?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yep, this is the mindset I was trying to describe. Thanks for making my point clear. I have seen you around too much with your anti-communist politics, so I can see through your arguments, like this one where you describe Vietnamese government in a particular manner just because they decided to protect their country's game developers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What point is it you think he made clear?

If they want to protect their developers. They would help them succeed on the global market. Make it easier for them to compete.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

When he said "government scrutiny". He openly desires the laissez faire market nonsense to allow an opening for west to do what it always has. Vietnam has a far larger market outside of west in Asia, Africa, Russia and South Americas.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Tell me what the "government scrutiny" is then! I have no idea except that Vietnamese game developers find it onerous. It's a video game, how much scrutiny does it need?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago

Are you a Vietnamese game dev? Are you a friend of one? No? Then your opinion is invalid.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And what is you think west does that it always has? You can never say anything specific. It's always vague nonsense.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I see bad faith argumentation, I leave.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Ah yes, everyone else fault. Not that you come in here with the dumbest claim, refuse to explain it, and then just try to shit on everyone calling you out on your idiocy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense in regards to their law, but holy hell are their laws stupid

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As a vietnamese American, my mom always told me stories about the shitty government. Most citizens in Vietnam know the laws are dumb too but can't protest because the government is too strong now. Just know that EVERYTHING is regulated over there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can thank America for that

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

America literally fought a war to try and prevent that. The majority of the population of Vietnam fought to have this instead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

One has to wonder what they would have had if it had gone the other way... would they look more like the Philippines, perhaps, or Indonesia? A "strong man" in Saigon with CIA backing on steroids. Because a whole other kind of just as shitty is still just as shitty.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Remind me again which side won and took over the country and which side fled.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

That's what Americans claim to save face. I'm a Vietnamese American and Asian history tends to suck in other nations. America used that narrative to justify invading another country and then dipping out when it was too hard.

I'm still going to overgeneralize, but here's the actual history they don't teach you. (History is much more interesting outside of school).

From the Vietnamese perspective, they initially didn't want/need American help, but about HALF of Vietnam didn't want communism. Similar to Korea, it was kinda like North vs South. America knew that Vietnam has potential to be another booming nation so they saw an opportunity to "help" Vietnam for profit and claim they're fighting communism in the process. America doesn't just "help" for the sake of good, we're a nation of profit and greed.

During this war, South Korea's involvement and then eventual American alliance actually helped South Korea flourish from all this new money they were getting. When Nixon saw that Vietnam was a losing war, he pussied out and ended up moving on to help Korea since that was the next "profitable" nation; even helping in "fighting communism" during the Korean War. Vietnam took a huge L after Nixon pumped and pulled resources so he partially caused the loss, too. Looking back now, America made the "right" call on South Korea as it's now both rich AND has good US relations.

Most of the Vietnamese population today prefers a less communistic government but not much can be done. Government is just stupid powerful BECAUSE of communism in the first place. Like some long domino effect.

TL:Dr America is a sneaky country and does things that only benefit them. They couldn't benefit from Vietnam so they moved onto Korea in "I'm done playing with you" style.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The Korean War took place before the Vietnam War, and Nixon wasn't President at the time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

If the majority of Vietnamese didn't want communism, why didn't the anti-communists win even without the US's help? Your narrative is nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Which is based? After all, Captain Vietnam defeated Captain America.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Ooof. What a stupid take.

There are indie studios whose lives have been changed because they focus on the international market.

This small brain thinking will ensure they die.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The local devs were not trying to get steam banned. Hell they wanted steam but wanted to play by the same rules and pointed out how strict their own laws and requirements were.

Vietnam govt said you're right, it's not fair and banned steam to make sure everyone plays by their rules rather than admit the rules were stupid and draconic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Careful what you wish for - you never know if it'll be granted by a Monkey's Paw

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not immediately obvious to me that indie developers in Vietnam won't be able to find an international publisher. While I don't approve of the law, it does strike me as potentially having a positive effect on Vietnamese studios.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Given how it can be circumvented by fiddling with DNS according to the article, I doubt it'll really do anything besides stoke negative sentiment towards Vietnamese studios. Besides, you can buy plenty of the games elsewhere, so even if it worked, all you're accomplishing is making it slightly more annoying for gamers to buy what they want, rather than having it in one place.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago