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UN Security Council passes resolution calling for an "immediate ceasefire" in Gaza, as US shifts position by abstaining from vote

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

USA because it took this many decades to merely abstain and and not veto.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They've been vetoing, the proper action would have been to vote to pass.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Abstaining has exactly the same effect.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Sends a different message though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The best time to abstain would have been decades ago, but the second-best time is now. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good; this was a good choice.

Edit: The downvotes are hard to interpret. Do people think the US abstaining (and thus allowing the resolution to pass) was not a good choice?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

this was a good choice.

Abstention is, by definition, the refusal to make a choice. And if you are not against oppression, then you favor the status quo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's not how it actually works, though. They knew that by not opposing it would result in the measure passing. Choosing to abstain is a choice.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No such thing as neutrality on a moving train. Don't be dense.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying there is. Obviously not.

To be absolutely clear for those who for some reason still aren't understanding it at this point, choosing to abstain from voting on this resolution was the same as voting to support it. The US could have blocked this resolution and instead decided "no, we'll let this one through." Given that they could have blocked it but made a conscious decision not to block it, knowing that by not blocking it the resolution would pass, that was a decision in favor of this resolution.

What do people think I am saying, if not that?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Voting for it would have been "voting to support it," that must make sense to you, yeah?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Do you understand the political mess involved in the ties between USA and Israel? There's multiple factions whose support is conditional on WH supporting Israel. Biden isn't just negotiating with Netanyahu, he's negotiating with the rest of his own party and donors. He wouldn't be able to vote for in UN without consequences, like political factions and donors moving to R instead.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

They chose a course of action that allowed the right thing to happen.

As I said above, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.