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One of these has definitely hauled more than the other, and i guarantee you it's not the ford.
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As an American, this is a SMALL truck. Too many of the fuckers here drive trucks that would crush both cars and keep going with a gentle bump... oh lord my Country is tragic...
As an american I can't take america seriously. It's sad. Especially vets these days... I feel bad for them, especially the ones that still have a solid head on their shoulders.
There's no humble life path here.
"Brain small so I car big". But in all seriousness, I don't see the reason why these people buy these things. If they want a big car, the minimum requirement should be to have a non poluting engine(which is probably far out). What happened to walking, or bikes and rechargeble scooters? Can I ask you about your state's(or city's) infrastructure plans or is it simply super car dependant?
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Hey, sorry for the late reply. I actually work in an adjacent field so I think I'm decently qualified to speak on the infrastructure here. Firstly, I am in one of the larger metropolitan areas of the US. We are completely dependent on cars. We have a couple of train tracks but the pricing, limited destinations, and limited run times kill any chance they have of converting the masses, myself included. We have no plans for more mass transit and no plans to improve current mass transit. While they are making an attempt to make the area more bike friendly, the zoning laws effectively make these changes impossible as places you would typically travel to are too far from your place of residence. These zoning laws don't appear to be changing anytime soon.
The real problem with my area specifically, but America as a whole is just the vastness. Due to the sheer amount of space we have, there is urban sprawl everywhere. Why live on top of one another when everyone can get a little space and we can destroy all of the beautiful nature around us and pave over paradise?
As a personal anecdote, by American terms I live close to work and VERY close to the grocery store. Store is a 20 minute walk one way and work would take me hours to get to... or I can hop in a car, be at the store in under a minute and to work in 10
Edit: and unfortunately I would love a motorcycle but due to licensing requirements (or lack thereof for motorists) and the appalling infrastructure, it is just too unsafe to justify a motorcycle of any kind.
No worries(my reply time is even worse as you can see), thank you for the reply. It feels unreal how far the distance between stuff is, I didn't think it was that crazy, but the more I learn about this, the more I'm happy I don't have to deal with this. My only question is how driving fatigue is avoided. And regarding motorcycles, I feel you on that. I personally wouldn't ride one here because of potholes and unsafe traffic. But in all seriousness, I get that having space is bliss, but it's torture to have to drive everywhere.
I can't take cars like this seriously, I just assume whoever drives them is a total piece of shit
You never know. Maybe he needs if he works in the near by forrest. While I agree on the first part about not taking it seriously, I never want to assume people are pieces of shit without talking to them first.
You don’t see those very often in Europe but when we do it’s always a good laugh followed by a sad sigh. What an ugly piece of crap.
The F150 was the most sold car in the US last year. I've never seen so much of those in Montreal CA in over 20 years. We.are.doomed.
Wasn't this mostly because of the semiconductor shortage?
Takes nearly as many components for a small cheap car as it does for a massive expensive one, so they focused the manufacturing on the big one and they've even had to cut back on that.
No, the F-Series has been the best selling vehicle in America for 30 consecutive years or so.
A good portion of those sales are for commercial fleets, but plenty more are just for suburban parents to drive from parking lot to parking lot.
Last year wasn't an anomaly.
Yeah, it's been a trope for years, lampooned by The Simpsons with Canyonero, even Robocop with its 6000 SUX.
I don't really understand why though. Maybe it's just because America is huge and people think nothing of driving 100 miles to go to work so want to do it in comfort, or maybe it's the really low taxes on fuel. Maybe if they were paying UK levels of petrol duty (52.95p/litre, that's 263 cents/gallon, plus 20% VAT), those big trucks would be quickly abandoned, along with dreams of sprawling suburban hell-holes with no pavements.
I know exactly one person who has one in the UK and we all laugh at him and call it his Fall Guy truck. Mostly because I'm old enough to remember that.
It's due to generations of propaganda that cars=freedom and how that's affected every aspect of American urban policy.
Most state government departments of transportation don't fund public transit and see cars/highways as the only available option to move people from point A to point B.
This affects every level of American life. So much so that not only is gas in the US not taxed at levels seen in other developed nations, it's subsidized.
Pickup trucks now are a defacto status symbol, and on roads where cars are getting bigger, many buyers who would consider smaller alternatives also buy bigger trucks and SUVs than they would have otherwise.
Additionally there's a loophole in the car efficiency standards that are more lenient on SUVs and trucks than cars. This has led most manufacturers to focus on marketing Trucks and SUVs rather than cars. GM and Ford current don't sell and have no plans to sell new cars in the US market. Their entire fleet is SUVs and trucks.
Increase fuel taxes and it will reward smaller cars. Inflation has tanked below to within targets while interest rates are still high. The market is primed for tax increases as the BoC loosens it's monetary policy.
The CAFE footprint standard has made the huge truck count as more efficient than a small car towards the fleet standards. Then they make up the last bit by buying offsets from Tesla, which is what actually keeps Tesla in business.
Wait wait, WHAT? If you buy a tesla you don't even get to feel smug about saving the environment, because they already sold off the smugness to someone else?
Gotta stuff those fat americans in there somehow.
The sad thing is that they're not even that roomy. Something like a skoda superb beats this ford truck hands down when it comes to leg room.
So:
- not that great off-road (too heavy, too wide, too long, not enough weight on rear wheels)
- not great at transporting stuff, because the load bed is open.
- not fuel efficient (and low range)
- less safe (higher chance of roll over, takes longer to stop, lower safety standards compared to regular cars)
- poor visibility (too high, don't see pedestrians + low obstacles)
- not that roomy
- not that comfortable
- poor handling
A common argument is 'it can tow stuff', which is also silly because you can do that with a far smaller car too.
So it's a fashion statement or virtue signaler. I mean, obviously we all hate it, but the people that buy these kind of trucks usually get off on that. They're virtue signaling to their (internet) friends.
I‘m always surprised at how well those 2 wheel drive Fiat Panda‘s perform. We mostly use it for our farm because it can‘t really get stuck, or we haven‘t managed to get it stuck in 11 years. They also fit a decent amount of luggage!
I would love to see the smaller car that can tow a 35 foot 5th wheel trailer.
Or the van that can haul 12 foot logs stacked 6 feet deep.
Or carry two 1000liter water totes and allow them to be filled from the overhead hose that is provided by the municipality.
Or pull a trailer with a rented excavator.
The point here isn't to argue. But I do get pretty tired of these threads just shitting on trucks for fun. They don't make sense for non tradespeople living in a city. But I could not do with one vehicle if that vehicle wasn't a pickup.
I'm building a homestead from scratch where I had to cut the trees of the forest down in order to make room to put my trailer to live in. Without the truck I could not haul the trailer all the way to the mill, all the milled wood back, and carry all of the things that I need to build the house. While still giving me 4 seats so that my nephews have a seat when I pick them up.
Edit to add: Mine is also dirty, dented, scratched, and abused. I don't have time to make a work machine shiny, I have work to do.
Yeah but people are specifically criticizing the people who buy trucks to show off in the city, not people who actually use them for what they were made to do
Those are things that the vast majority of truck owners never get near doing. There are a ton of truck owners that have never hooked up a trailer before in their life and only have used the bed for something like transporting an appliance once. It isn't something they actively use as designed even once a month.
As someone else pointed out already, yes, there are people who need a truck. They don't need an oversized death machine. There is little to no reason for a truck to have that much bulk, the bulk doesn't add power.
However, most "need a truck" is either shit that could be done in much less vehicle, or done so infrequently that it makes 0 sense to OWN said truck. I sometimes need a truck... so far thrice in my life. I rented said truck. My wagon covers almost all of my hauling needs, rental covers the few outliers.
I don't understand this need to tell people what they need or what they should drive. Can't we just let people enjoy the things they like without getting all Judge Judy? I own a full ton diesel and I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't need it. How else am I going to tow my 32 foot RV? It's how the wife and I vacation. Should I be flying to my vacation vs driving there because people hate trucks but someone give planes a pass??
I can see people being more upset at sportscars vs. trucks but that doesn't happen. They are less fuel efficient than most trucks and can a lot less. An Infiniti Q37 with a V6 engine does 20MPG combined when my truck gets closer to 25MPG combined.
People need to stop judging others just because they do something you don't.
Nah.
Not when those shitstains on the road actually kill more people and pollute more of our shared planet. Same thing for sports cars. If you drive something so unnecessarily dangerous and bad for our shared space and you’re not using it for it’s purpose I will judge you with no sympathy.
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You will probably like this Documentation about the reasons why SUVs in the usa are so popular.
One of these has definitely hauled more than the other, and i guarantee you it’s not the ford.
I don't know, the Ford looks like it has to carry around a really big ego.
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I’m American and live in an older suburb of a fairly large city. Half of the neighborhood seems to have a full sized truck, an extra large SUV or both in their driveway. The reason they are in the driveway is that most people can’t fit these vehicles in their garage. Older homes have smaller garages built for the cars made at the time. On the few occasions I need to haul large items I can rent a truck from the hardware store by the hour, or a cargo van for the day.
And that's the small Ranger! The F150 is large in comparison to the Ranger.
That's a ranger? JFC.
What I dislike about these threads is that it always devolves into shitting on blue collar workers. Of course pickups are useless city cars but have you all ever met somebody from a town of 1,000 people where every single person works in a blue collar trade? These things do work that you can't do in a different type of vehicle.
Threads like this are echo chambers of privilege. Maybe instead of shitting on tradespeople, shit on car and oil companies who enshittify the whole system.
Also pickups in 2023 that look like this are more powerful and more fuel efficient than more modest looking pickups from 90s or 00s. You may not like the aesthetics of it, but who fucking cares, you're not driving it, you're just the one judging someone else for having different taste.
Yes, there are legitimate uses. However, trucks and SUVs account for 80% of car sales in the US. 80% is NOT representative of the number of people who actually need a truck or SUV.
Trucks and SUVs kill more people, because they are bigger and heavier and have less visibility. They run over more children, because the hoods are so high you could lose track of a whole kindergarten class standing in front of them. They are more efficient than they used to be, but still drastically less efficient than a sedan or station wagon.
I don't judge someone for having different tastes. I judge someone for letting their aesthetic choices cause them to do more harm to the planet, and endanger more people, and risk the lives of their own children (because that's who they're most likely to run over because they can't see them).
If you need a truck or SUV for your job or because you actually haul a lot, or maybe because you have accessibility needs for a bigger vehicle, great. Enjoy. But that is NOT 80% of people.
Also work vans are superior to pickup trucks in almost every way.
And the comment you're replying to didn't mention anything about how over the years, the size of truck beds has shrunk, while the cab has grown. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it's utility...
I haul stuff sometimes... So I got an older AWD wagon. Fantastic visibility, could haul more than I need, decent MPG. I do not understand these cars getting bigger and bigger. The newer version of my Outback is a monstrosity as well. I'm pretty sure I'll be driving cars 2010 and older till I can't get them anymore.
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for a community called fuck cars the simping for a car is rather interesting
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Especially when following the law that the larger the car, the less capable the driver.
I went to the philharmony last Sunday, and the number of people with large and expensive cars who were less than capable to park them properly in an underground car park was hilarious.
Parking a large truck is also just plain harder.
- Parking spaces are smaller relative to the size of your car
- Sitting high up with a huge hood in front means there's less visibility in front
- Longer cars make it more difficult to judge distance using your mirrors, somewhat eased by the requirement for parking cameras.
- Longer cars generally have a longer wheelbase, making a worse turning radius
The only saving grace as a driver is that heavier cars can be safer for their occupants, at the cost of everyone else's safety... which most would consider a negative.
Parking spaces are smaller relative to the size of your car
Nope, the caris too big to park in a normal parking lot.
Sitting high up with a huge hood in front means there’s less visibility in front
No, the car was built in a way it shouldn't, because it does not allow the driver to drive responsible
Longer cars make it more difficult to judge distance using your mirrors, somewhat eased by the requirement for parking cameras.
No. One can learn to adapt to any size of cars and trucks, but most fat pickup drivers don't care to invest the brain capacity to do so.
Longer cars generally have a longer wheelbase, making a worse turning radius
Well, if you cannot drive, you cannot drive. If the problem that you cannot drive is because of a design failure of the car, you chose the wrong car.
Imagine getting this worked uo about one of the smallest trucks on the market. You can't make this shit up!
I hope you find peace, friend
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