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NY bill would require a criminal history background check for the purchase of a 3D printer::Requires a criminal history background check for the purchase of a three-dimensional printer capable of creating firearms; prohibits sale to a person who would be disqualified on the basis of criminal history from being granted a license to possess a firearm.

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[–] [email protected] 192 points 1 year ago (28 children)

A tube capable of firing a projectile isn't hard to make though. Maybe they should require a criminal history background check to go to the hardware store too.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago

Sir, do you have a license for that power drill?

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[–] [email protected] 132 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's incredibly stupid. Good Lord.

What's next? CNC machines? Silicone/resin casting supplies? Steel pipes?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Is this what the democrats think is important legislation right now?

You can make a firearm in a shitty garage shop way cheaper than the both monetary investment and time investment that comes with using a 3D printer.

People in fuckinh prisons make improvised firearms

This is a waste of time.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

It's not about making firearms. It's about being able to make literally anything else, the ability to do so being something that would liberate individuals, to some extent, from the capitalist system. That's what they really don't want.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are these lawmakers aware of the fact you can 3d print a 3d printer? Or at least, about 80% of its parts, and the remaining parts are indistinguishable from the random stuff youd buy at the hardware store? (Aluminum extrusion mostly, some gears, etc)

The only part they could theoretically hope to control worth a damn would be the printing nozzles, which are so incredibly cheap to buy bulk and nearly impossible to specialize.

Also you could take this to court and point out that you would need to also include CNC machines, Laser Cutters, lathes, and any of the other variations of tools that can be used to manufacture a DIY gun.

This isnt a problem specific to 3d printers, a CNC mill that can cut aluminum is also just as capable of producing the jigs needed to manufacture gun parts.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I'd argue a cnc mill makes a hell of a better gun than a 3d printer

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

You can make a fireable shotgun out of like 15$ of pipe fittings

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Silly. Why can't we just regulated the sale of ammunition and gunpowder?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

Why? It’s not guns and bullets killing people, it’s 3D printing 🙃

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do actually. Just last year new york passed the Concealed Carry Improvement act imposing a background check on ammunition purchases. This bill is completely redundant and unnecessary.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Redundant, you say?

How else are corporations going to limit things like "right to repair" and sales, when people can print their own replacement parts or print stuff they would otherwise have to buy?

Think of the profits! /s

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

NY is the shining example of the simple creation of a law being enough to entirely extinguish any criminal activity related to it in the entire jurisdiction. This one is so incredibly powerful, in fact, that the very second it goes into effect, the whole state of NY will be unable to cross state lines to acquire said devil boxes, nor even use a VPN to make such a purchase online. Also, sharks are smooth.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (10 children)

You can easily create a firearm with a short length of steel pipe and a nail. I don't know how this will do anything. Plus people can just drive to another state.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

It will be effective in 3d printers gaining attention for having the ability to print firearms

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (19 children)

The logic of this is nonexistent. An argument could be made very convincingly that cars are dangerous to allow in the hands of criminals. 2 tons of metal, well known for and capable of ending a life, with the ability to aid criminal enterprises and avoidance of law enforcement. So should car sales now require a criminal background check? All this would do is further disenfranchise convicted felons, regardless of the actual crime committed, and create new difficulties for a group that includes a very high percentage of people already proven to give no shits about the law who will find and exploit ways to continue activities despite any laws attempting to restrict them.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Can anyone name one crime that has been committed with a 3d printed gun from the last 3 years that hasn't been committed 100x more often in the last week with a stolen or illegally obtained gun.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Oh, did we start requiring criminal background checks for pipes and metal stock too? This is the same problem we’re facing in the rest of the country, everything can be used as a weapon, and requiring background checks on all of them is gonna do nothing to stop gun crime. Regulate the damn guns, that is the only thing that will help.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (9 children)

US: We have a gun problem.

Also, US: We’ve tried everything but regulate guns and we’re all out of ideas!

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a leftist, I don't support laws like this cause they don't actually do anything. Dems fr have been supporting initivies to fork over more and more data.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Here's a fun fact, hobby machinists have been making guns in their garages for as long as machining has been a career.

You can, right now, buy a drill press for a few hundred bucks and finish 80% lowers in an apartment if you want. If you have a lot of money to spend you could buy a mini mill and make the job a lot easier.

These are completely unregulated and arguably much more dangerous.

Have fun with that knowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

This is just a way to restrict individual freedom from corporate ownership. It's the equivalent of "for the children". If you're against guns don't fall for this bait, support some other legislation.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

What brain dead legislation.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's ok, you can still buy them privately at a 3D printer show.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

How in the hell are they gonna enforce this? Is every kid who baight a 3d printer of ebay now committing a crime?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol more regulation for 3d printers than guns themselves

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wow, this makes my country's nonsense gun laws look sane.

They do know that even children from 70 years ago where making firearms right? https://newyorkcitygangs.com/?page_id=1708

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

This is just "New Media is scary and I'm old!" Fear Mongering

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Stupid, authoritarian, and dystopian.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can always 3d print a 3d printer

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So what will the state of NY do if I buy an Ender-3 in Vermont and then bring it home?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, we have this little thing called a Constitution, might just get in the way

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You have a constitutional right to bear 3-D printers?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, and don't you forget that

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Counter offer: a bill that will limit the purchase of 3D printers to people with a criminal history.

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