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Like two text fields, with the server/instance field autofilling:

username @ server

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Stop thinking Reddit and start thinking email. You don’t log in to Hotmail with your gmail address to read mail sent to you from hotmail.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

But I would use my Gmail to login into other services like Evernote or Spotify as an example.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of the Fediverse has this nor is it practical as not all servers will be running the same software, many modify theirs with custom things. If you want an application to act as a container, try Ferdium. https://github.com/ferdium/ferdium-app

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I had no clue about this! This looks actually decent, will try this later!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why? You only need a login to your home instance. Federating the content is done by your instance. So why the need for a "global login button"?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The pain point is if someone sends you a link to a post on a different instance you kind of have to jump through a hoop to interact with it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There are plugins to fix that. However, I dislike that approach, but it's all we have at the moment and it works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got into a link posted somewhere in a post that took me to wikipedia's mastodon but I'm registered on mastodon.world. And this has not been a single instance, happened plenty of times with other lemmy instances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There are browser extensions that solve this for Mastodon instances. I'm sure the Lemmy and Kbin equivalents will arrive in due course.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This was the great promise of the fediverse -- that you would own your profile, and that you would have one profile across the entire fediverse, and that you could migrate that profile from instance to instance if you had disagreements with the admins of your instance -- but it seems to have fallen by the wayside with real implementations, which is disappointing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Real baffled with the met resistance, this is a huge QoL that would provide ease of access for new users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want one profile across the entire fediverse, then host your own instance? Or link your accounts to one central website you own or to one profile you own, e.g. Mastodon or Matrix.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think "you can host your own instance" is a very realistic solution for the vast majority of social media users. "Just learn to be a sysadmin so you can post memes" is pretty user-hostile.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because it was certainly the only solution I proposed...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fine, I'll bite. Where's the guide to linking my Lemmy account to my mastodon account so I can use a single sign-on for both. I can't find one anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not what I said. I said you can put a link in your mastodon profile to your own mastodon, your own website and your lemmy account. It will then verify those against your mastodon account. No single sign on possible especially not across different applications (lemmy, kbin, mastodon)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Cool. So not only were you sassy, you were wrong. Tough look my guy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was the great promise of the fediverse

Promised by who, when? Seriously - I don’t remember it being a part of the proposition

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Perfect. Thank you for taking the time to dig this out for me

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a plugin that redirects all instances you're browsing to re-open on your home instance. Perhaps that's something you're looking for?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This a good workaround, but it's a turnoff for newcomers without this natively.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Nope, it really doesn't need that, just use any of the web clients if you need that.

But lemmy, nor Mastodon, nor Pixelfed, nor kbin need that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No thanks. We're an instance focused on the queer and gender diverse community. Not a convenient generic login proxy for the entire Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No we aren't. We are an instance focused on autonomy and anti-censorship.

(Yes this is somewhat sarcastic, as I'm trying to point out that you are posting on a federated forum. Your instance focused is irrelevant to everyone but your own users)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your instance focused is irrelevant to everyone but your own users

Well yes, that's rather the point. I run this instance for my community. I have no interest in turning my instance in to a generic login proxy for "free speech"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I guess I'm not understanding what your idea of a federated login looks like from your server perspective. I think that might be the fundamental problem as that idea is different for different people.

What I would envision a federated login looks like in the case of AP:

I are directed to a post on your forum. I don't have a login to your forum and my home server has not subscribed to that forum from your server yet. I login at your server which redirects to my home instance, subscribes to the given forum and pulls in the post in question, automatically.

That seems like some extra steps now that I actually give the mechanics a thought and I think this can be resolved by an extra button on a post that does the above.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A global login wouldn't break a defedaration, it would simply spit out some error such as "Your credentials are invalid, your home instance is not federated with this instance."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well yes, but most of the instances we federate with aren't queer or gender diverse. And the reason we pay for the costs of our instance out of our own pockets is because we are interested in fostering and developing our community of folk who are queer and gender diverse

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's great and all, but it still wouldn't disrupt any of that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't disrupt it, but it would mean that I would see an influx of users that I have to pay for, that have no interest or involvement with the community that I'm trying to nurture

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's literally what the web apps are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Skill issue.

Edit: Downvote away, it's not like this suggestion warranted actual meaningful discussion. It's just somebody who fundamentally doesn't understand how the fediverse works and thankfully the comments are reflecting that.

Edit: replying in an edit because this post doesn't deserve more engagement with a new comment.

@orientalsniper: I know how the fediverse works, been promoting it since the APIception.

That's cool and all but platform promotion does not equal platform understanding. Especially since you're asking questions like this from Raddle of all places rather than looking at the info on GitHub or any of the documentation linked in instances (at the bottom of the page above the code link). I stand by my statement that OP does not understand how the fediverse works and I'm still happy the comments appropriately flamed this suggestion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Needs better Gaming Chair.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think it's the lack of frame rate and no mechanical keyboard

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I know how the fediverse works, been promoting it since the APIception.

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