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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 21 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Idk sounds a bit fucked up to not erase some birth defects and disabilities if you have the means to do so. Don't have to bring eugenics into it if you can just give the mother a pill that will make it so that the kid won't have a fucked up leg or something. Hell, if eugenics is the worry, could let that baby be born with a fucked up leg and fix it later.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

As someone with disabilities due to multiple genetic problems, If there was a way, when my mom was pregnant, to alter those genes, so I wouldn't have the BS, and they didn't, I would cut them out of my life.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah at some point in future space tech it becomes a trolley problem where not curing genetic disabilities is as much of a non choice as pulling the lever.

The thing is, Star Trek was a show set in the far future trying to teach us morals about the present. And unfortunately for us, we don't have space communism so if the choice is between accommodating for birth defects and an ineffective, corruption-prone, dubiously safe eugenics program the choice is a lot easier. They have to communicate the morals of that on the show and it creates a hole in logic.

There's also a head cannon that the "eugenics wars" that they reference in the show has actually warped the morals of the society they're in for the worse as any discussion of pre-natal intervention is illogically taboo.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago

That's not head-canon. It's literally a plot point in DS9.

It's discovered that Julian was intellectually disabled as a child and his parents had him illegally genetically modified. He almost loses his commission and his father ends up being imprisoned over it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I never saw LaForge as a "disabled person" at all. In my view he had superpowers. What puzzled me was why other characters didn't wear similar visors. I mean why would blindness be a prerequisite for getting the ability to see in infrared, ultraviolet, etc? Seems like everybody would want that. Especially if it could be ocular implants like he eventually had.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Someone with functioning eyesight wearing the VISOR would just get a mishmash of nonsensical information. Their real senses clash with what the VISOR is sending them. Coincedentally it's also the exact same reason for another side effect. Pain. Despite Geordi not being able to see, his eyes still sort of fought the VISOR and caused him constant pain. It also had the ability to be hacked which isn't a great option.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Easy technobabble fix - the visor suppresses the optical neurons, or it simply acts as a blindfold so the real eyes see only darkness. LaForge's pain was because the tech wasn't fully developed. I forget if he still had the pain with the prosthetic eyes. Hackability is another problem we probably won't have in the real future because of quantum encryption or whatever, but it's still a good plot device present-day people can relate to - no matter how unrealistically it's portrayed - click-click-click... "okay, I'm in!" LOL.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

STRICTLY PROHIBITED (unless you're a good boy doctor)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

His parents paid the price.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The iron price, or gold (pressed latinum)?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Why wouldn’t you cure things at birth if you already know how to? Like, you know the kid is going to be blind, and you could just give the mom a shot to change that, but you’re gonna choose to let the kid be born blind? I dunno, that’s kinda messed up.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is under the assumption that every single being being born anywhere is being gene tested and born at a hospital which is statistically impossible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

being being

Sometimes, I really hate the English language.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

Oh damn, I haven't even noticed xD.
That whole sentence is unintentionally grammatically hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why the hell would it be eugenics to cure disabilities. If you could turn me from a trans chick into a cisbabe, I'd be down. I mean on one hand periods will suck, but on the other, maybe my fucking hair will grow out!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I’m in the same position, but if I could choose between the best hearing aids the 24th century can offer or repairing my ears, then I’m going full Geordi. Much in the same way I know some trans women wouldn’t make the choice we would.

And that’s the thing, routinely Star Trek shows disabled characters having choices in how to approach their situation and making the choices they feel are right for them. Some people will take a 5% chance of negative consequences to get their legs back, and others will take a futuristic mobility aid instead.

We actually already see this in cochlear implants. They’re difficult; unpleasant, and would give you hearing you don’t otherwise have

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Is over thinking tv shows a disability? Asking for a friend, obviously.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If me writing a 20 page essay about my favorite TV show and being a major contributor to the wiki counts as a disability, then I want a parking permit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

Granted on the premise that leaving the house should be rewarded.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm not a Trekkie, but I see this mentality a lot in fantasy settings. "Why would there be wheel chair users when a simple healing spell would cure it?" 🙄

Edit: in case it's confusing, I meant the idea that disabilities shouldn't exist in fantasy because of magic is annoying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe because healing spells don't work that way? Or maybe that type of spell requires some very rare and/or expensive ingredients. Like, it's magic. You can make up whatever rules for it that you want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

In case it's confusing, that's the opinion I have as well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There's always the rationale that a medical problem can't be fixed because of individual traits - for example, in the Wrath of Khan movie, Kirk needs reading glasses because he's allergic to the drug they normally use to treat vision problems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, whenever people can't think of things like this it's so unimaginative. Like, heaven forbid the magic be not that simple or something.

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