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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

So let me get this straight:

The Democratic Party snubs the left— even the progressives. They court the right wing, parading the Cheneys around.

The democrats lose.

The rightwing voters get riled up by the mask-off hatred, while their politicians straight up lie to Muslims and Latino people, winning some of their votes.

The democrats lose ground across the board. Their entire turnout was depressed. No matter how many times they learned their views were losing them votes, they refuse to budge on the issues they were undoubtedly wrong about. The fuckin meme says “we didn’t vote for genocide!!!” We can all agree voting…for genocide is…bad, right?

And you’re blaming the people who were ignored and told once again to go fuck themselves? Because they couldn’t stomach voting for people publicly and unflinchingly supporting the genocide.

Not the lying fascists, not the losing party for being told they were going to fail and still failing?

This is exactly how you continue to fail and lose to fascists.

And im telling you right now. History won’t look back and say “those fools! They didn’t vote because of a teensy little genocide!” They will say “all of those people stood by while a holocaust was happening.”

Not a doubt in my mind.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

This is your brain on the two party system. His team lost, but it can’t be his teams fault because it’s his team, you see?

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

The only people making noise are the centrists looking to blame everyone but themselves for a sweep of all the levers of government, and a gradual loss of the judiciary that will doom the republic. It was an epic asswipping of historic proportions with you lot leading and owning the losing strategy. You dont even have the diginity to be embarrassed about it.

You geniuses lost voters across every single demographic except college educated whites, flatly ignored the economic hardship of the lower and middle class and told people they were delusional to talk about it, and on top of that they enabled and participated in obvious far right war crimes. You lost minority and youth support and trust across the board. And you have no way of earning it back beyond your same tired playbook of being slightly better than Trump, on just a few issues.

Even if Harris had done the right, legal, moral thing and indicated she'd halt the shipments, she still would have lost on her idiotic low-polling economic policy that polled the same as Joe Bidens presidency. So you all supported war crimes and soiled the dem name for basically no gain at all. You doomed the republic, soiled the global understanding of "democracy", and showed the western world order to be a hollow shell of what it once was, where laws and justice dont really matter. All so the DNC elites could take some zionist bribes on a single election cycle, which you then lost. Heck of a job. Its hard to imagine screwing the globe any more thoroughly. Its breathtaking. You couldnt have done a more thorough job if you were maga republican fascists yourselves.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

I was going to just block the author of this post and move on but your comment so beautifully and clearly expressed everything I was thinking about their asinine lack of self awareness, I had to just at least thank you for taking the time to patiently engage despite knowing full well they refuse to learn.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Another thankful comment for you. Expressing my frustrations at the liberal tantrums over the situation has been a thorough exercise in anger control and I appreciate the precision with which you hammered home the reality of it all. Look after yourself and your community <3

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (11 children)

One of the candidates was against Palestinian genocide??

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 6 days ago (109 children)

There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Well yeah, otherwise they’d have to consider actually changing their shit strategy

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Even after all this the DNC are already bowing down to the fascist position because they lost because they were “too woke”.

This is when the democrats were already running a far right platform of “we want to fund the police, not defund them”, following Trump’s border policy, “most lethal army”, “Israel must expand its borders”, “I’ll have a Republican in my cabinet”. And they weren’t “woke” at all. Kamala threw trans people in the trash saying “we’ll follow the law” when it comes to trans issues. It was the Republicans who were running hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attack ads on trans people and democrats weren’t saying shit.

The DNC have once again failed to learn and are looking for a “centrist” chair, doing exactly the same thing of shutting down leftist voices and trying to appeal to and compromise with the fascists instead of listening to people like Bernie and AOC.

You’d think after they utterly failed and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and get an out and proud fascist elected they would finally learn that they need to address the real issues that affect all working class people.

The ratchet effect is real.

The Republican critique of the democrats is kind of right in a way in that they are just the same rich people not doing anything about the cost of living and only using identity politics to “virtue signal”. They’re right wingers with rainbow flags. That doesn’t do much for oppressed minorities except make us the target of attacks. What would benefit queer and other oppressed minorities more is build a society in which we can afford homes to live in, food to eat, access to healthcare. But they want to make it all about pronouns because that is easy for them to look like they’re someone “on the left”, when economically they’re not on the left at all.

There’s really no hope with the DNC. We just need to organize in our own communities because the democrats certainly aren’t coming to save anyone.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 6 days ago

Idk. I’m sure the cheneys endorsement brought out dozens of voters.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you thought the people who were critical of the Democrats went quite after the election, you're saying more about the echo chamber you've built for yourself than anything else.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world bans all of the prominent voices

Libs: "Where's all of your criticism now, COMMIES?!????"

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 days ago (27 children)

Friendly reminder that Joe Biden is still the president and could stop sending weapons to Israel right now if he wanted to. But he doesn't.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (26 children)

Another day, another Lemmy post blaming leftists instead of Republicans, conservatives, racists, and their enablers.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I know plenty of leftist who live in reality, understood reality, and voted realistically for an ally in the fight over the next four years.

And then there's fantasy leftists who do zero work, yell into their echo chambers, guard their fragile worldview from exposure to reality, and pretend they're doing anything to further the cause. Oh and they get mad, stamp their feet, and stay home instead of vote. Or worse, they're so far up their own ass they honestly think voting for the leopard is a good idea.

The one saving grace is that there aren't enough of them here to sway a dog catcher election, let alone a national one.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well republicans, conservatives and racists are the minority. Had everybody left of them voted, the US wouldn't be on track to become a fascistoid autocracy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But everyone left of them didn't vote, and I think there are certainly more non-voting liberals than non-voting leftists, so focusing on an even smaller minority of Pro-Palestinian abstainers is silly.

Only 64% of the Voting Eligible Population turned out in 2024, what percentage of that 36% remaining do you really think is Pro-Palestinians that couldn't stomach Harris?

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 6 days ago (79 children)

It's so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It's genocide, and it's horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can't save Gaza immediately, it's really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.

I wouldn't say they're gone though. I've been down voted, told "my kind/type" are all talk, or that I'm okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn't sit and do nothing.

But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we're moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Throwing your vote in the trash is a vote for garbage, and garbage won by a landslide.

The garbage voters really hate to hear it.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Blame the at most 2 million or so antigenocide protestors, instead of the 75 million who voted for Trump. Considering Harris was short 8 million votes, it didn't really matter.

Blame Trump voters first, but also blame Harris for running a dog shit campaign where she leaned right to pickup Republicans, and ended up picking up zero R voters while completely alienating the progressives and losing 14 million votes from Biden's 2020 performance.

The Dems don't seem too upset though. They would rather lose to the republicans than let progressives have any sort of power.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It is not only that she ran to the right but she did so with Liz Cheney who represents the old guard that is no longer trusted by them. She is nothing but a liability and is moreso indicative of the rot in the establishment which seems to identify more with Republican-lite than anything the rank and file of the party wants. That same establishment is trying to decide which minority to throw under the bus now rather than own up to their failures.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (51 children)

Real Talk, I'm getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.

I legit don't care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn't Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.

Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn't stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so "in support of genocide". It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.

Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can't stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people's lives, that doesn't mean they are your enemies.

Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (7 children)

They're easy targets. Blame the abstainers and third party voters and you don't have to confront the legitimate failures of your party and campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

There is a whole lot of Removed by mod here that might explain it.

Going deeper into the DNC echo chamber wont change anything though. Also i find it curious that people seeing the end of the world coming towards them leave their attempt at stopping it at "whelp i voted". Almost as if you are consistently fed the gaslighting lie, that voting once every four years for the candidate, that the DNC designates you to vote for, should be all you ever do politically.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 6 days ago (28 children)

Dems failed and people who abhor genocide unfortunately had little to do with it, though listening to Lemmy libs you'd think they personally destroyed her campaign

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 days ago (24 children)

Had nothing to do with it.. or at least insignificantly. The Dems on a platform of "were not him" and the economy is booming.. while people where hurting and got shafted by the wave of devaluation.. people are angry.. and the let's keep going on the same path and change nothing and so nothing party did not get people out to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (24 children)

You can continue blaming everything but the DNC, but it won't change the fact that they are complicit in genocide and no matter who was in charge, the US will continue it's legacy of genocide worldwide.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (14 children)

They voted for a worse genocide.

In 2 different places no less and possibly more.

They just don't know it yet.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

we're busy doing the things we need to do since you twits couldn't run a non-genocidal candidate.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (11 children)

They are certainly responsible for Trump doing what they will do. No amount of mental gymnastics can make that go away. You had a vote, it was what it was, you had to accept reality or live in a bubble roleplaying that your vote was something it was not.

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