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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

So let me get this straight:

The Democratic Party snubs the left— even the progressives. They court the right wing, parading the Cheneys around.

The democrats lose.

The rightwing voters get riled up by the mask-off hatred, while their politicians straight up lie to Muslims and Latino people, winning some of their votes.

The democrats lose ground across the board. Their entire turnout was depressed. No matter how many times they learned their views were losing them votes, they refuse to budge on the issues they were undoubtedly wrong about. The fuckin meme says “we didn’t vote for genocide!!!” We can all agree voting…for genocide is…bad, right?

And you’re blaming the people who were ignored and told once again to go fuck themselves? Because they couldn’t stomach voting for people publicly and unflinchingly supporting the genocide.

Not the lying fascists, not the losing party for being told they were going to fail and still failing?

This is exactly how you continue to fail and lose to fascists.

And im telling you right now. History won’t look back and say “those fools! They didn’t vote because of a teensy little genocide!” They will say “all of those people stood by while a holocaust was happening.”

Not a doubt in my mind.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This is your brain on the two party system. His team lost, but it can’t be his teams fault because it’s his team, you see?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So someone is voting tactically because they're acknowledging the consequences of a FPTP voting system. And you point at the butterfly and ask “is that tribalism?”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes, you're an idiot for voting tactically instead of telling harris and the DNC to fuck off with genocide and shitty economic policies. We've covered this many times but you're adament that your way (which lost btw) is still correct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

The party of self reflection 😂

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

when do we mention that this exact phenomenon is what happened globally across the world and is probably irrelevant to both politics and parties representing them?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

How did letting Trump win help to end genocide? In what way does having an administration that literally says Palestine shouldn't exist and Israel should finish the job and kill all the Palestinians inprove the situation?

When there's a fire, something should be done about it, absolutely. But allowing Trump to wind the Presidency is adding gasoline, wind, and dynamite to the Palestinian fire while also unleashing firebombs on Iran and murdering the fire brigade in Ukraine.

How do you reconcile allowing all this death with your principles?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes you should ask yourself and harris/dnc how letting trump win by campaigning on a genocide and shitty economy policies was a good idea.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How does being objectively better for Palestinians than Trump make the Dems the worse of the 2 options?

And there were only 2 options. Full. Stop.

Choosing not to participate is functionally no better than voting for the worst of the 2 candidates. By choosing not to vote, all you made things worse for the Palestinians.

But hey, you get to feel superior. That self-satisfaction is worth a couple million lives, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Die hard, vote blue no matter who libs were warned for a year straight that their strategy of catering to the right and abandoning nearly all of the progressive policies from their platform would result in defeat. They were warned by leftists, they were warned by polling, and the Harris campaign was warned by their own internal advisors. Instead of listening to any of that, they ignored their advisors, said that polls were false, and told leftists to fuck themselves. They tried to gaslight people about their own material conditions, provided unflinching support for genocide, and paraded around with Liz Cheney. Then they lost, and now the country is going to get even worse because they lost.

The hubris it takes to ignore all of these warnings is unfathomable, and the willingness to risk the good of the country all for more donor money is despicable. And yet here you are, like so many others, continuing to blame people who had miniscule power to change anything and repeatedly warned you about a very predictable outcome.

But hey, you feel superior.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It's entirely possible for both the Dems and you to be wrong. Yes, the Dems ran a bad campaign. But you also chose not to oppose Donald Trump. You don't get a pass on tacit approval of escalating genocide, deportation of minorities, destructuon of Ukraine, war with Iran, oppression of trans and homosexuals, and the gutting of the w9rking class just because the not-fascist wasn't progressive enough for you.

Any blame for what comes next lies with you as much as anyone else who didn't oppose Trump. Every child who is separated from their family will be partly because of you. Every time someone does of a preventable disease because the medication has been banned by Kennedy, you'll be complicit in the death.

I would hope it keeps you up at night, but your head is so far up your ass feeling superior you don't give a fuck about the damage you've caused to the Palestinians you claim to be supporting that you don'teven know what you've done. You've uplifted the man who will authorize and celebrate the removal of Palestine from the map.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I voted for Harris against my moral principles precisely because i understand the damage that Trump will cause. I live in a state that trends blue, but I wasn't confident enough that it would do so this time around. So you can quit with your moralizing about all the things that are now my fault because I'm angry that the party I've supported my entire adult life abandoned their principles and abandoned the country in favor of their own wealth and their own egos. Since I voted for her, hell yeah I have every right to blame them for their own willful errors.

Even if I had not voted for Harris, I actually do get a pass on that. The Biden, and then Harris campaigns dropped the ball and they deserve the blame. They knowingly gambled the election, and the future of the country, in favor of AIPAC and other big donor money. That's disgusting and the blame lies on them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Notice that every frocking liberal that doesn't want to hear how the party failed immediately turns and pretends you must not have voted right?

Oh you have a complaint? Well I'm sure you didn't vote then, cause only people who complain are the problem. Don't say bad things about the DNC and they will win forever because there is not a bad thing about the DNC until you mention them.

Apparently they yearn for the authoritarianism they expect the other side will get away with and want to do it too. Dissenters getting silenced and problems ignored is somehow the policy of the Democrat liberals now. No wonder they lose.