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[–] [email protected] 7 points 38 minutes ago

the answer completely disregards the fact that people who even remotely understand how these things work wouldn't believe stupid shit in the first place. there are so many ways for this guy to just dismiss this.

how would you even know, you can't have studied these for billions of years

who says lead only can exist in this manner

what is this is true but god also made lead along with the earth

etc etc... this is very weak if the goal is really try to convince this guy to look into some things rather than smell your own farts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 34 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)

Can someone explain to me why lead HAS to come from another element? Why cant it just… exist?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

All young Earth creationist should be exiled to a remote desert island to die

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Should we start building a big wooden boat for them?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

There's just no way that they could ever be anything but a drain to society

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago

Engagement bait.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

this argument isn't going to work on someone who believes god created said lead... and also, pretty sure not all lead was created from nuclear decay.

i get dunk on people feels satisfying, but this is just bad science communication through and through

[–] [email protected] 1 points 53 minutes ago

There are exactly 1.6 x 10^18 kilograms of lead on earth but every three minutes or so a brand new gram is welcomed into existence due to the radioactive decay of uranium.

Calculate that flat earthers!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Also, the half life is when half of it decays. Some of it is constantly decaying. We don't need to wait for the half life to see any of it. The ratios would be totally off if there was enough of it to get the amount of lead we have right now, but some would exist. When the math is that complex, it's not going to change anyone's mind who believes what a magic book (written by regular humans) says. Nothing will, be if you want a chance it has to be something simple and obvious.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago

I had a conversation with a woman who strongly believed God put the dinosaur bones there to test our faith.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Some lead might have been created from supernova fusion, probably. I'm not actually sure if it's the right isotope or if lead even has radioactive isotopes that we know of

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 hours ago

Anything can be radioactive if you add enough neutrons

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

unfortunately i don’t believe in uranium or numbers higher than 200, so this argument doesn’t work on me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Don't give up, you can still change their mind.

Just from 4000 to 200.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (13 children)

Technically this could all be true even if the universe were created 4000 years ago. As somebody says in Robert Heinlein's novel Job: A Comedy of Justice, "Yes, the universe is billions of years old, but it was created 4000 years ago. It was created old." (approximate quote from memory)

I absolutely agree with science, but strictly speaking we can't know for sure the universe isn't the creation of some superbeing operating outside of it - or it could even be a simulation.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

We can't prove that the world we live in wasn't created last Thursday, with our memories, the growth rings in trees, and so on created by a (near) omnipotent trickster to deceive us. But science and rationality give us tools for determining what's worth taking seriously, and sorting out the reasonable, but unconfirmed, claims from the unverifiable hogwash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

What a tricky god to even implant memories of me imagining all of creation happening only a few seconds ago every time I read about this particular anecdote in the false past.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Pffff. Look at this conspiracy bullshit.

Everyone knows that the universe will actually be created tomorrow. What you are experiencing now is a flashback from tomorrow of what you did yesterday. Prove me wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You believe in existence? Please.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don't yet, but tomorrow is the day for sure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 minutes ago

You've been saying that for a 1000 years.

You're in a loop. Reality is never going to exist.

See you tomorrow for the same discussion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

Actually the universe was created on Jan 1st 1970. That's why computers sometimes have errors with pre-1970 dates, it's the universal simulation glitching due to the high clock rate of computers compared to the universe's. Anyone who claims to have been born before 1970/01/01 is a simulation that's lying to you, and anyone born after is real, hence why now that its more player characters than NPCs things are going off the rails politically and socially!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago

We can't know anything with 100% certainty. We can always imagine some razzle-dazzle, imagined scenario to counter the rational explanation if we like.

The point of the scientific method and logical reasoning is to pick the explanation with the most evidence.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

"Whatever! Pssshhh!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

ALLEGEDLY .

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, this is broken because all lead did not have to come from polonium, that's how half-lives work.

It's still 100% bullshit in every way, someone just needs to have chatgpt4 sort out the current mass fraction to explain why, I'm way too lazy to argue against insanity.

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[–] [email protected] 232 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (34 children)

Not to argue for creationism, but this argument sucks. Lead can be produced by supernova, not just through decay of heavier elements. But even that's besides the point, since if you believe some entity created the universe, surely said entity could have created whatever ratio of lead to uranium they wanted. It's not a falsifiable claim, there's really no disproving it, unfortunately.

(Not so fun fact: the environmental impact of leaded gasoline was discovered by trying to estimate the age of the earth using the radio of lead to uranium in uranium deposits, but the pollution from leaded gasoline was throwing the measurements off.)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

But the half life of polonium 210 is just 138 days. other is a few days. radium 226 is 1602 years. Why couldn't the earth have started with a lot of radium 226? Checkmate round earthers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

Could have started with lead directly. Why go the extra mile.

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