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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

I don't understand why people make such a big deal out of these voters. Maybe I'm just consuming the wrong media, but it feels like third-party voters get 50x the blame nonvoters get for ruining elections with probably something like a thousandth of the population. I basically never see this discussion call out both third-party voters and nonvoters equally.

I keep seeing third-party voters maligned for thinking a candidate has hope to win a national election, I see so many arguments to address why third-party candidates can't win. In spite of that, I have never come across any community anywhere where people collectively believe these candidates actually have a chance. People who consume crazy media can believe crazy things, that's why MAGA is a thing, but there's a whole Fox News etc media machine feeding those people. Is there a forum somewhere with more than ten people where there's a consensus that a third-party candidate might actually win? None of the third party voters I have known or met irl believed this, and I would be shocked if they're all weird exceptions.

Like, please, where are these people congregating to spread the ludicrous idea that a third-party candidate can win a national election? Looking on the recent green party posts on their subreddits, the only thing I see even close is a thread with a headline about "candidates are electable if people vote for them", where the furthest they go in the comments is a few people talking about how big a deal it would be for the party if they got 5% nationally, and a couple other people replying to say the greens won't even get 1% this year but the election is still very important because of some nonsense about incremental gains.

It feels like we've imagined a brainwashing machine that does not exist in reality, rather than admit to the existence of protest votes. Condemning protest votes means condemning protest nonvotes equally, and we'll never have sufficient information about protest nonvoters to reasonably make a claim about how they would have voted. That would severely muddy any attempts to assign blame for election results.

If you're trying to convince these voters to act differently, the way to do that would be to address the arguments they're actually making, like the incremental gains nonsense. If you're addressing arguments they haven't been making at all, then it's worth asking whether you're trying to convince someone other than them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

People get weird close to the election.

People voting green party did so for a reason. Not everyone fits into perfectly shaped boxes for the 2 party system. Many vote 3rd party for leverage for policy change. The narrative of picking the lesser evil doesn't always apply to the narrative of the individual voter.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Did people who voted for Stein get what they wanted by electing Trump?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

We are literally vote in a Hitler figure who is going to build concentration camps and wreck the country or stick with sanity. The lesser of two evils is necessary until the second major party stops running Hitler.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

If Trump is Hitler, what is Kamala? At least third parties entertain ending wars

[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago

A lot of things about foreign policy are based on realpolitik, not ideology. As long as you're not in power, you can ignore realpolitik, and therefore can promise anything you want. Once in power, things are different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago

Third parties that can never win can in turn not make policy decisions.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Ranked choice voting eliminates the concept of spoiler candidates/parties.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

The duopoly of power won't add ranked choice voting

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

You are correct. Also, OP is correct.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

I might risk voting 3rd party if this election wasn't a choice between boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil.

The stakes are just too damn high to risk letting Trump get back into the White House again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Honesty is refreshing. I’m voting for Harris because I don’t want to see Trump’s orange face every week. Yes, I know what she is. Yes, I know what that makes me. I’ve made my peace with it. No, I don’t blame others who feel differently.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

it's not worth it until first past the post is removed.

Until then it's mathematically impossible for a third party candidate to win. Focus your energy instead on removing first past the post, then you have a chance

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago

The only time I went third party it wasn't to win. It was because I saw it as two main candudates so shirty that there was a good chance for third party to snag more voters than usual, possibly enough to gain slightly better recognition in the future.

The monkey's paw curled.

We got Trump. The recognition came as irrational blame for Trump.

I won't make the same mistake of voting for someone I think would do the best job. Now it's merely an effort to keep the worst viable candidate out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago

This is the way.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The elections will always be between "boring corporatist and 100% concentrated evil". Every election feels like it's the most important one. You just gotta suck it up and vote third party regardless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Except this time there is a literal fascist running. The third party argument doesn't work when we've got a candidate quoting Hitler and promising that this will be the last election you'll have to vote in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Jill Stein is a fascist bitch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

There you go again. Blame third parties for your own failure. Keep doing it, tell yourself it's true.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

Agreed. Hopefully Democrats put more effort into earning their votes.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 hours ago

G.R.E.E.N.

GET

REPUBLICANS

ELECTED

EVERY

NOVEMBER

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Dont let online bullies influence your vote. Each citizen gets one vote, cast it for whom you wish to support. Learn about the issues, the policies being proposed, and cast your vote for whomever you support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

*as long as you support one of the major 2 parties

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