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[–] [email protected] 139 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is a very good thing. Thank you EU for forcing us dirty heathens in NA to have consumer protections.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Once again, the EU drags the rest of us into modernity kicking and screaming.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Isn't the main issue whether or not there's an ease to replace? There's like 20 steps and a bunch of easily breakable cables involved with replacing it currently.

I mean I think you can replace the Switch's battery too by that standard.

Same site even says it's only 1 extra step in total, though instead of the cables being in the way, it sounds like the shields a bit more difficult.

But like either of these replacements would require a technical user to do it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

it should be done by 2027 at the latest it sounds like.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Says 2-4 hours and “difficult” on the battery replacement page

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

And requires heating + prying.

If this is considered replaceable, I wonder what an non-replaceable battery would be. Soldered to the main board and trying to unsolder it causes a failsafe to short the CPU?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah. The battery on my old Samsung Galaxy S4 literally just pops out with minor force applied as soon as the cover is off, leaving the phone ready for a new one to be slotted in. That is what "user replaceable" means.

Don't get me wrong, I am familiar with electronics, have a diploma in electrical engineering, have soldered hundreds/thousands of components, etc. and I could do this easily (though I have concerns about heating the battery). But most people cannot currently replace the battery without significant headaches.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Steam deck done.

Not really. Look up the Linus Tech Tips teardown. The battery is glued in super hard. Linus said he spoke to Valve about that and according to him Valve said they're looking into making it easier to replace at a later date. Since then I've not seen any reports about a change.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Heat gun on the battery, that sounds fun

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i think 'user replaceable' should involve no tools, and a minimum of time. if step one involves removing eight tiny screws, and it only gets more cumbersome from there, i don't think it counts.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

The currebt rule says "No propritary tools" which seems reasonable when you add in that glueing in is considered "non-replacable" too. The GBA SP needed a single screw to hold in it's battery and nothing else. Plus with proper threading, screws last much longer than plastic clips.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think there should be a requirement for easily expandable storage as well.

Switch and Steam Deck seem to be OK for this, but I'd like to further piss on Apple's chips.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I think it should be fully replaceable storage, not just expandable because a lot of companies throw out completely fine devices to get rid of sensitive information on the soldered drives

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, in place of the EU I would fuck apple up for their decision on soldered ssd. It's not only stupid, but just inhuman towards nature.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Excellent, I like that I can replace batteries easily from my old handhelds, the only issue for that case is finding trusted ones.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

New switch confirmed before 2027!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s a good thing Valve makes the official parts and tutorials available on ifixit for the deck

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The battery is still unnecessarily glued in with permanent adhesive that requires a heat gun to melt it though.

I never understand why batteries need to be glued in at all, surely pure friction will keep them in place. If you really need them stuck down use pull tabs.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Thank you EU! Please come to America and slap the shit outta everyone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Hopefully we'll get our right to repair act together.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a fantastic change, every battery powered device should have self serviceable replaceable parts if it is safe for an untrained individual to do so.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

if it is safe for an untrained individual to do so.

Remove this part and I agree. If you don't know how to repair it yourself, you can always go to an independent repair shop. But if manufacturers don't have to make parts available, you are at the mercy of the manufacturer.

So make the parts available and publish schematics, and those who want to can attempt the repair themselves, and those who don't can take it to a repair shop.

Manufacturers use the "but it's dangerous!" excuse to lock people into their ecosystem and/or support planned obsolescence. That needs to end.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

3.5mm jack! Sd cards! IR transmitter!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Steam Deck has 2/3 but an IR blaster would be dope. I wish phones still had them too.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Steam Deck with swappable batteries would be badass.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hopefully this doesn’t just manifest itself as simply not selling these devices in the EU. Seems highly unlikely that would be the case, but a possibility I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt they would do that since the EU is such a big market

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I have a 2012 asus s46c laptop. Replacing its battery is as easy as sliding a nitendo switch joycon into/out of the console. Other laptops from around that time have similarly easy to remove batteries. There's no lack of know-how and I doubt making it easily replaceable is "more expensive" during production. Any company that solders or glues them must do it out of pure spite against the customers.

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