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[–] [email protected] 223 points 1 month ago (83 children)

I love how this article takes shots at steam despite valve being THE company holding the bar up in the gaming space.

I could list examples but I honestly don't even think I need to

[–] [email protected] 188 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Absolutely. I mean, I love the fact that GOG has DRM-free games. It's really incredible how many games are available without DRM because of them.

But I'm not going to make Valve out to be the bad guy here. Valve is like 99% of the reason why gaming on Linux is viable right now.

Valve seems like a great example of how, if you don't sell your company to venture capitalists, you can just be cool nerds that make good products. As much as I want DRM-free to be the norm, I'm also not going to vilify a company that is one of the best examples of not enshittifying right now.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A lot of Steam games are also DRM free. It's up to the individual developers whether they enforce DRM checks or not.

I've copied files from Steam folders directly to a flash drive, plugged them into an offline, Steam-less computer that I don't have rights to install anything on, and ran them perfectly. But it is a game-by-game thing.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Also GOG has DRM games now

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Not in the sense we're discussing it here, they don't.

There's a list of about 20 games said to have DRM in Gog and when you actually read the list rather than just it's title it turns out none of them has what we would call DRM - any sort of phone-home validation or anti-piracy measure.

It's mainly things games with add-on content that requires you use Gog Galaxy or register online, some that send analytics to a server and stuff like that.

You can see the info here,

Whilst it's still nasty and still shouldn't be happening, none of that makes the game unusable in the future after the servers are down if you still have the offline installer.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah.. it’s also a new law in California is it not? Kill shot? Hahahaha. Right. Who wrote this headline xD

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's like every clickbait gaming website whenever a new MMO game drops and they call it the WoW-killer for the umpteenth time in the past 15 years.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Valve is holding up the bar not because valve is great but because everyone else is so shit. I've had a ton of issues with steam throughout the years and it's just.. nothing else is better. I was actually excited for the epic store launch and it's... Well, not the worst, because being the worst is a challenge some places take seriously, but certainly not a good steam replacement especially for low data people.

Steam may not let me control the updates to steam, but it won't force refresh my library causing ping spikes all the time as an intended feature.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Now can we get proton support for GoG that is as convient and reliable as it is in Steam?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Remember when they said Galaxy would get linux support? That didn't happen, and that promise got quietly retracted...

That said, Heroic is unofficial but has worked quite well.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People use steam because it's good service, and a good product.

In fact, they also gave Linux a boost

They also have things like cloud saving

Developers use them because apparently they have some awesome features too for things like multiplayer and such and a great API

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Now if we could just have GOG Galaxy for Linux. It would make my life so much easier.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

All online storefronts doing business in California will soon be forbidden by law to lie to customers with words like "buy" when they really mean "license". GOG is no exception.

https://digitaldemocracy.calmatters.org/bills/ca_202320240ab2426

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (4 children)

100% agreed. just wish GOG was more linux friendly.

best of both worlds: piracy.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (10 children)

This has literally always been the case with Steam, the only difference is that people are told up front now. Things will likely continue to operate exactly the same as it has until now, I doubt Valve wants to disrupt the giant money train they have.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The amount of people thinking they are getting ripped off by steam now is astounding.

They are the reason this step is incredibly necessary.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

I mean I've always had an issue that digital goods could always be revoked/taken back. That's why I didn't buy things on steam until it became basically the only way (as consoles have less physical media). This is just a great reminder for the public that we're consistently loosing control over our digital lives.

I've been an advocate for forcing companies to change the wording for digital goofs to "lease" rather than "buy". Cause at the end of the day, no one owns their steam library.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

I like GOG, but this is just weasel-words to take advantage of the ignorance of the public. Whether you receive the installs directly or not, you still don't own your games, you are just licensing them, same as Steam.

This doesn't tip the scales into the "this is wrong" territory for me, but I do think this kind of word manipulation exploiting an unknowledgeable public is a little bit slimy.

edit: I had a bit of knee-jerk reaction to the sensationalism of the headline; what GOG actually says is fine and doesn't imply anything beyond licensing in my eyes.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I just like calling it "the kill shot", as though GOG is about to take all of Steam's market share some time next week.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I think it is fair. When you buy games through GOG, you get the offline installer. Nobody can take that away from you.

When you buy games through Steam, you can only install them via the Steam client. If the Steam servers are offline, you cannot install your games. In theory, some games are without any DRM, and you can just zip them up, but even then that doesn't always work, and you shouldn't have to. That's not to take away from Steam, of course, it is great at what it does.

Providing an offline installer that works no matter what is as good as "owning" the game IMO, even if "technically" you are just purchasing a license to use the game.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Doesn't owning something mean you can sell it? That doesn't apply to GOG, though.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

I like GOG and I like steam too. While it is true that GOG can't take the offline installer from me, this does not make it true I can play the game forever since many games are dynamically linked to libraries that may not be available in the future. This happened to me with games I just had bought. Steam also dynamically links to libraries but what I like about the way they are doing it is that these are part of the base installation so as long as you keep these files, the games should keep working. Nothing being perfect, I think they both try to do things in their own way and try to convince us that it is the best one.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Here's another reminder to sign this initiative if you live in the EU.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even DRM-free, all digital purchases are still just a license, legally speaking.

Pragmatically speaking, they can't forcibly take the bits off my hard drive. But it also bears pointing out that these days most games on Steam don't bother enabling Steamworks DRM either.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (14 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Many of their games do have native linux versions, and a lot do work under wine or proton, which can be used as a Non-steam game in Steam or even without Steam.

Their launcher doesn't yet have a native linux version but it's completely optional, and does still run under wine if you really want it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

NGL This feels disingenuous coming from GOG, Yes, you can keep the installers, but you do NOT own the game.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Seriously not trying to just be contradictory:

What's the difference? In practical terms, what does this mean for me as the consumer? We don't own the intellectual property, but may use the software as-is? From a practical, consumer standpoint that feels the same as the days of owning your software on a disc, unable to be taken as long as you have physical control over the device. I'm fine with calling this "owning" personally.

I'm absolutely willing to be wrong on this. I'm by no means an expert. Please, if I have missed something, let me know.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

I'll stick with my Steam cloud saves and game notes and community forums and community guides and custom controller configurations and community controller configurations and overlay and workshop and screenshots and steam deck and steam link and ...

Also, the very first game I ever bought on Steam was almost 15 years ago, and it was delisted and has not been available on Steam for over 10 years. Yet I can still re-download and play it right now.

Steam is not the evil corporation people pretend it is. Take your rage to Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo.

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