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In a devastating letter sent to President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris this week, 99 health workers who have volunteered in Gaza amid the genocide wrote that Israel has likely already killed over 118,908 Palestinians in Gaza. This is approximately 5.4 percent of Gaza’s population, meaning Israel has killed 1 of every 20 Palestinians in the Strip in less than a year, according to this estimate.

Not only is this figure horrific, it is also the “most conservative estimate” possible of the true death toll in Gaza, the health workers wrote in an appendix to the letter. The workers calculated this based on estimates from food insecurity researchers on the death toll caused by famine; rough estimates of deaths by disease; and other estimates of deaths that Gaza health officials are unable to count.

The workers, who spent a combined 254 weeks in Gaza, specifically emphasize the impact that Israel’s genocide has had on children. For instance, they point out that, according to officially reported figures, Israel has killed at least 2,100 babies and toddlers since October 7 — a toll that is higher than the combined Israeli death toll from the First Intifada, the Second Intifada and October 7 attack.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Why is this number so drastically higher than other numbers I've seen? I thought it was in the 40 thousands?

(Not like that's any better. Genocide is genocide. I'm just a bit perturbed by how different the number is then when I last heard.)

UPDATE: Further along in the linked document it clarified...

"In total it is likely that 62,413 people have died of starvation and its compilations in Gaza from October 7, 2023 to September 30, 2024. Most of these will have been young children."

That figure is an addition to the 42,000 that have died from the violence.

Holy hell... 😭

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Yeah the 40k have been unchanged for months, which made me wonder what the real number including the witholding of aid is. So yeah... now we know.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

The collapse of help system. I also think indirect deaths from diseases and famine are not counted by the health ministry

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I and a few others have been trying to tell people that Gaza is already in the dying phase. That the UN and IPC have said Northern Gaza is in famine and Southern Gaza is "imminent". But nobody has wanted to listen. Just recently we found out that USAID made the same assessment and assessed that Israel was restricting calories on purpose. But Blinken and Biden ignored that assessment to effectively clear Israel for military aid.

And this isn't done yet. When they dig that rubble out they're going to find more bodies. That's part of why Israel wants to officially occupy Gaza again. If we ever get a real number that might actually make them a parish state.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it was 40,000 months ago....

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It’s not even been 12.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Why is this number so drastically higher than other numbers I've seen? I thought it was in the 40 thousands?

There was a Lancet study a while back that said the real number of deaths is likely five times the official number. Now that specific study doesn't have to be 100% correct, but it's a plain fact that the official number is a severe understatement, for two reasons:

First, the official number is the number of dead bodies the Gaza Health Ministry physically counted. It's the number ofphysically confirmed deaths. That's why they could release those lists of dead people, but it also means that anyone whose body wasn't taken to a hospital (say, someone starved in the middle of nowhere or died under rubble) won't be counted. This makes the GHM number the minimum possible number of deaths, not any kind of estimate trying to make up for blind spots.

Second, the Gazan healthcare system collapsed months ago. Most if not all hospitals got Al Shifa'd, and the ones working don't have gas, electricity or any supplies. This is why the number plateaued (plateau'd???) several months ago. There's nobody to count the dead, so because of the system I explained above the number is going up.

So anyway, what you're seeing in the article isn't that. It's an estimate trying to make up for the dead who aren't included in the 40000 the GHM counted. That's the reason it's so high.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Don't forget that there are many more unaccounted for under the rubble.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

This senseless death is so tragic.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Blinken will blindly block the brutal report because bibi.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Is it now a genocide or not?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Anyone knows how many Palestinians are left, what their birth rate is and how many decades it will take Israel to complete the genocide at this rate?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

It was in the low millions (2.5 iirc). I dont think the birthrate is existent. Women who give birth will probably die of infection due to the lack of non bombed hospitals and non assassinated doctors. Israel has recently further tightened the restrictions on aid deliveries. Once the starvation and lack of water reaches a critical point, the population could actually start collapsing very quickly.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you asking why birth rates increase when material conditions worsen?

Pre-war Gaza had a number of salient features that set it apart from the rest of the occupied Palestinian territories. Among them were: a high population density, with an estimated 2.3 million people squeezed into 365 square kilometers (141 square miles); a large number of UN-registered refugees, amounting to 70% of Gazans, the majority of whom lived in eight overcrowded and squalid UN-serviced refugee camps; a population that was increasing annually by 2.8% — among the highest growth rates in the world, with nearly 50% under the age of 18; and a fast-growing labor force, with new entrants to the job market joining long unemployment lines in a small and virtually broken economy.

High rates of joblessness, especially among youth (60%) and women (64%), widespread poverty (64%), and severe food insecurity (41%) produced extremely dire living conditions, rendering 80% of Gaza residents dependent on humanitarian aid for survival. Dilapidated infrastructure, environmental degradation, institutional decay, and chronic shortages in electricity and potable water added further strains. The severity of conditions in Gaza twice led the UN, in 2012 and again in 2015, to warn that if nothing was done to reverse course, the whole place would become unlivable by the year 2020.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you asking why birth rates increase when material conditions worsen?

No, I was asking the questions I asked.

The info about the pre-war birth rate is a bit helpful, though.

I'm wondering how long it will take Israel to eradicate all Palestinians, if they keep going at the current speed, if the world fails to stop them for decades in a worst case scenario. But don't waste your time on my grim thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

These things aren't linear, you could try to piece together a projection from the reports on famine. But they deal more with how to prevent and reverse famine, not death projections

https://www.refugeesinternational.org/reports-briefs/untangling-the-reality-of-famine-in-gaza/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The number of deaths will increase exponentially (because most of it is starvation and there's still almost no aid entering the strip), so a few years if nothing changes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For future reference to everyone else, this is what we call a bad faith question.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

wdym? I didn't mean any harm. I was just overthinking the worst case, but it turned out too complicated to come to a conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ve heard enough of “High birth rates” and “This sure is a slow genocide”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

is it not fast enough for you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it assumes that they won't accelerate their genocide.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

It looks like Hamas has 40k members, so I guess maybe at least two non-Hamas dead for each Hamas dead.