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[-] [email protected] 3 points 23 minutes ago

I mean tbf, all of the above have people enraged and people who dgaf, it's just those flip flop depending. I'm sure there's no shortage of people here, in this very thread, that aren't cool with say Native Americans being played by white people, or that Scarlet Johansen played that one lady from GITS (can't remember her name, never really got into that series, but she's supposed to be Asian.) Understandably so, really, but still.

I take it a step further personally, stop remaking anything and if you adapt say a comic or book, stick as close as humanly possible to the source material. Race/genderswapping and reboots for a moneygrab is cool or whatever but can we have good original stories again please?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 9 minutes ago

My issue is that we are pairing nationality with skin color or ethnicity here. Those are not mutually exclusive. There are 2nd or 3rd generation Asians immigrants in Mexico, just as there are Mexicans living in Ireland, and Irish people in India, etc.. Somebody could be a fully integrated national but not part if the nations major ethnicity. Even saying AFRICAN-American is kind of pointless, like it matters where your grand-grand-grand-grand-parents came from. They're as much American as anybody else. We don't call everybody else European-American for comparison.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 41 minutes ago

It's honestly really gross how the U.S. film industry works. There's a widely held belief that you basically have to have a white lead character in most films for it to be successful. Look at marvel, just as an example. Every single main character was a white man or woman. Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, etc. All white people. Black Panther was the exception, not that he was even really part of the avengers officially. He wasn't really in their crew at their headquarters. But even the person who played vision, which was heavily dawdled in makeup... White person. That role could have been anyone! The dude looks like an alien, why did it have to be a white guy? Now look at Star Wars, another extremely popular franchise. Every single lead character is white without fail. Luke Skywalker, Anakin, the emperor, Leia, Han Solo, Kylo Ren, you name it, they are white. Mace Windu was the exception, and they just killed him off needlessly Like he was some inconsequential character even though he was literally the most important person in the entire Jedi order. Then Star Wars The Old Republic launched a video game and guess who is the leader of the Republic now? White woman.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

Mace Windu getting killed was the turning point and point of no return for the three film character arc of Anakin Skywalker. That's a long way from "needlessly". Sure the character didn't have to be killed, but the impact of him being betrayed and killed was enormous. The plot of the third film (and the entire prequel trilogy) culminated with his death scene.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 16 minutes ago

To be fair in star wars, it's one big unhappy family.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 hours ago

So what is white if Romani isn't? I really do not understand the American concept of race, for me they are all humans.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 18 minutes ago

Roma people have historically been very persecuted because of racism and ethnocentrism. Case in point: the holocaust killed up to 500,000 Romani people, but the actual figures are not known. Roma people are among the groups that are rarely talked about when the Holocaust is mentioned, despite losing up to 50% of their total population at the time.

Arab and North African folks are usually considered white on the US census but that isn't really an accurate picture.

Race is a social construct that doesn't have clear borders. Racial categories mostly exist as a way of creating division and limiting access to resources, to flatten the diversity of individual cultures represented by a racial category... or to inflict direct and systemic violence. The experience of being a racialized person is entirely the creation of the society that a person lives within; for example, African folks usually don't self-identify as "black," within Africa, but that's an important racialized experience that people can speak to in a place like the US.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 36 minutes ago

Whiteness, at least from a racist perspective, isn't really about skin color, it's more like a club for 'approved' ethnicities. There's many Italians with darker skin than Mexicans, but Italians are considered 'white' and Mexicans are not. Same for large parts of the Middle East and Asia.

Romani are white skinned Europeans, but they're not 'racist approved', so they make up rumors they're actually from Egypt and omit them from the White Club.

The determination for what counts as white is highly inconsistent. Before the 1700s Germans were not considered white. Before the 1800s Irish were not considered white. For a time in the 1900s Finnish people were considered Asian (while many Finns were striking for better working conditions, what an odd coincidence). Italians weren't considered white until about a hundred years ago. It goes on and on.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 hour ago

Hating Romani is more a European thing.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

So what is white if Romani isn’t?

Race science is less a formal science and more a series of excuses for doing social murder and war crimes.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

"Not white enough" would be my guess.

[-] [email protected] 47 points 3 hours ago

In fairness to Tilda Swinton, they decided to entirely rewrite the character to be a Celtic woman instead of a Tibetan man. This was probably to avoid being censored in China, but getting away from the racist 1930s, "oriental mysticism," trope was probably a good idea. It's certainly a lot better than letting Jonny Depp pretend to be a Native American because he's one-eighth Cherokee.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago

Well, the Ariel thing is basically the same kind of 'rewrite'.

Also Ariel isn't even "white"... she's a mermaid

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago

I remember reading he was one third German and sometimes I cannot sleep at night because I am trying to figure out the math. This has been like 15 years ago and it still bugs me.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Sprinkle in a little incest and we are good to go.

I also have no idea, I thought it was all halves of halves.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 25 minutes ago

You can get some odd fractions by two parents having similar lineages. Like, if your mother is Irish, and your great-grandmother on your father's side is Irish, you would be five-eighths Irish. I'm having trouble finding a combination that gives you thirds, though.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

How was Highlander not included?

[-] [email protected] 38 points 4 hours ago

I only care when it's stupid, like Medieval Poland being full of black people, not even modern day Poland has that many black people.

You can call me racist if you want but casting a black guy to play the president of the USA in like 1910 would be as stupid as casting a white guy to play Nebuchadnezzar.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 57 minutes ago

Meanwhile middle age fantasy had black knights and it was fine.

Racists are gonna be racists is all there is.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 36 minutes ago

You can call me racist

As tone deaf as it gets.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 hours ago

The Witcher isn't in Medieval Poland though, it's in a fantasy land.

Rings of Power was far more dumb because there's black people, but only in a few extremely important roles. Almost as if there's some sort of reverse curse going on, where a baby pops out black, and they immediately make it their king/queen. Or more likely, they realised very late on that they'd made a very white cast, and made a few last minute changes.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

I sometimes think the token representation is on purpose. Riles up the “anti-woke” and means that internet discourse about your show is all about how there’s some black people, not about how shit the writing is.

Like I really don’t give a rats ass if the dwarves are brown or purple or pink. (Although the lack of bearded dwarf women is unacceptable.) The other changes in Rings of Power are actually bad.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

The Witcher isn’t in Medieval Poland though, it’s in a fantasy land.

So by that logic it's fine to make Wakanda full of white people because it's fantasy land right?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago

I mean yeah. If the writers wanted to make Wakanda have white people, that would be fine.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Wakanda is supposed to be in Africa, where Uganda is irl.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

Wakkkanda it is.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 59 minutes ago

Sure it would, if the writers had written it that way. South Africa is full of white people, it might have even made sense.

But since they didn't do that, and then wrote their entire storyline around having not done that, this is a poor argument.

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