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[-] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

I mean... yeah this clearly sucks ass, but as a silver lining, maybe it'll rebuild interest in nuclear.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 15 hours ago

Why can corporations own nuclear plants? Aren't they people? Can I own a nuclear plant? Or am I just stuck building additional pylons?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

AFAIK, There's nothing that says you can't make your own nuclear power plant. Just stuff forbidding you from obtaining nuclear material. Which would make it hard to operate a power plant. But you could still make one that doesn't do anything!

[-] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

Strictly speaking, anyone can apply for a license to build a plant but you do need a license. The whole thing is pretty regulated.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

The whole thing is pretty regulated.

I feel like that's probably a good thing.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago

Most nuclear plants are owned by corporations. Before the accident, Three Mile Island was owned and operated by Constellation Energy (now Constellation Nuclear) and EnergySolutions.

https://www.eia.gov/nuclear/reactors/ownership.php

[-] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

You must construct additional pylons.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Roses are read

Violets are blue

The only additional pylon i need is you 💜

[-] [email protected] 79 points 19 hours ago

I can't wait for this AI bubble to pop.

I'm not saying that some parts of AI have utility - machine learning for medical scans will be a great thing for instance, but the "oooh new! shiny! venture capitalist, line-must-go-up" side of things can well and truly fuck off.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

I don't think it will pop.

Everyone is trying to get in on the ground floor for actual AI. True AI will be as revolutionary as electricity and online porn.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

We are a long way off from true AI. You know how VR was a thing with the virtual boy and then the whole thing died for awhile until the oculus and vive revived the idea like 20 years later? And how VR is basically dead again because it's still not quite there? AI is basically like that. We'll get there eventually, but this current trend isn't going to be enough to get us to true AI. It'll go quiet again for awhile until there's some new approach that revives the hype again. Maybe the next phase will do it, but the current AI approach is a dead end from a true AI perspective.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

You aren't wrong; but unlike VR, "dumb" AI has been added to so many devices, used so prolifically, and been invested in so much that it will hold until real AI exists.

AI has already written more on the internet than humans have. There is no reason to believe it is a niche product like VR.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Can you explain what you mean? True AI? Like AGI or something else?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

everyone has a different idea of what true ai will be

[-] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

True AI is a sentient program that can be creative and evolve it's own programming. Think digital human analoge, but it knows everything and is easily confused.

Current AI is a party trick performed by a search engine that phrases results in a conversation or a random data generator that can have a theme that informs a comprehensible image.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

They want Jane from Speaker for the Dead, they're going to get Skynet.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago

aaeven just a machine learning model capable of searching for information and accurately returning an answer with a list of references supporting the claims would be huge for many industries and individuals.

it could help replace customer service with a competent replacement (if the company actually spent the effort to provide necessary features to the customer ui), search through software documentation to help programmers, and hopefully be a better version of what google was.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

LLMs are kinda, sorta there already, aren't they?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago

Exactly. I'm bullish on AI, I'm not bullish on what the mass market media calls "AI."

[-] [email protected] 87 points 19 hours ago

What a waste of power. Somehow they went from "we're green tech!" to "fuck it, we need ALL the power" real quick. And for nothing.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 19 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 14 points 15 hours ago

Don’t forget that Microsoft isn’t some dumb company trying to jump on the AI bandwagon. They’re a cloud provider and Azure provides lots of AI options.

Microsoft is one of the platforms raking in heaps of money from dumb companies trying to jump on the AI bandwagon. They’re the equivalent of the people selling MAGA shirts outside trump rallies.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago

Microsoft is one of the platforms raking in heaps of money from dumb companies trying to jump on the AI bandwagon.

True. But one of their biggest customers is OpenAI. A big part of Microsoft's investment in OpenAI comes in the form of free access to its data centers (which cost money to run, thus costing Microsoft in the short term). By taking advantage of OpenAI's non-profit status, Microsoft was able to write off a bunch of those losses early on as tax deductions.

But they're still losses.

Other firms using Microsoft to jump on the AI bandwagon might help make up the difference. But that's like saying "I'm only doing some of my own heroin, so I still come out ahead". Given the current rate of return on AI investments, the only truly correct investment value is $0.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago

They are making money off AI. Don't think they're not. I don't understand how, but these company's are getting profit.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

it's venture capital, fueled by the fumes of hopes and dreams and fantasy stories for investors.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 19 hours ago

If you look at the enterprise pricing and options for Copilot and Security Copilot, they're building a pretty obvious business model around automating everything from end user basic tasks to tier 1 incident response.

I'm not advocating that it will work, especially as a person in IR but, all the big players are pushing for security automation. All it's going to take is one high profile incident to shift the CSO's and the like to jump in with both hands full of "ai" purchase orders.

The shittiest part is, this is only going to eliminate more entry level secops jobs. Jobs that are generally a great place to start in the industry.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago

It's also going to create more headaches for the people left to fix things

[-] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago

Not necessarily. Companies chase what's popular because it boosts the stock. Executives get bonuses and move to the next hot idea.

Remember when everything was block chain?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

No, I mean they are literally making money from it. Asianometry touched on it, but didn't explain how they were making the profit.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

They're racking in a ton of investment case on AI. I'm sure there's also a slew of government contracts that keep this beast afloat.

But in terms of real value added to the economy? This seems like its just another Wall Street bubble waiting to pop.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

Oh I agree. But the fact is these company's are seeing actual profits right now.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

They're seeing a flood of new investment, but they're also absorbing huge losses from within their AI divisions.

The profits they're reaping are in other sectors.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

The plant is actually going to be renamed "Crane Clean Energy Center" so it's fine!

[-] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

Would be incredibly ironic if that thing melted down again and took MS's datacenters with it.

[-] [email protected] 40 points 18 hours ago

It was only a partial meltdown, some cooling systems failed and it was successfully contained! Safety precautions designed to stop a full meltdown and release of radiation succeeded.

I know that's not really the point of your comment but I feel like this particular incident has a lot of misinfo and I wanted to help elucidate what happened.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago

This isn't true -- radioactive gases were leaked into the surrounding area. The containment vessel remained intact, and NRC concluded that no measurable harm was done, but there was definitely a release and that's why it was such a big deal. They evacuated children and pregnant women from the area in response.

https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML2010/ML20106F218.pdf

[-] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago

Exactly. A properly run nuclear plant can be extremely safe.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

A properly run nuclear plant will also expose people living within a 50 mile radius of the plant to less radiation than if it were a coal fired plant.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago

Nuclear meltdowns are incredibly uncommon though.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It's not as uncommon as you might expect -- here is a list for the curious. And I don't mean to denegrate nuclear energy as a power source; it is vastly better than fossil fuels and safe when done correctly -- I have participated in the safe generation of nuclear power. But the ramifications of it being done incorrectly are severe to say the least, and everyone should be aware that we do commonly have issues with it, especially in aging facilities. We commonly extend plants decades beyond what their initial construction planned for.

Edited to say I just realized you said meltdowns, not radioactive leaks, which I do agree with. Sorry for confusion

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I'd like to add that I think North America needs to invest in making Thorium reactors and/or Fast-Breeder systems portable: Nuclear trains sounds stupid until you realize Thorium exposed by a train crash or maintenance issue cannot emit lethal doses, and Fast Breeder fuel spheres are no more dangerous in a sunken ship at the bottom of the ocean than in the emergency cooling tank of a damaged ship or the reactor of a working one.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago

I also don't wish for that. We have enough fear mongering around nuclear power as it is.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago
[-] [email protected] -3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

So Microsoft will also be repsonible for taking care of the nuclear waste until it's not toxic anymore, right? Right??

[-] [email protected] 12 points 17 hours ago

They've taken responsibility for all the arsenic and mercury released from the coal fired power plants they consumed energy from, so I have to assume that they will here too.

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