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Orbit by Mozilla (orbitbymozilla.com)
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[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

Well that's disappointing.

Just add it onto the pile of all the other stupid stuff Mozilla is doing I guess.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

emails

If you can't spell a topic properly, I strongly doubt your ability to manage it. Simple-as.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Um, where's the spelling mistake?

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

I sent in a support ticket asking them to save Firefox and stop all this AI bullshit

[-] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago

I'm sure their support appreciates that a lot.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Yeah, there is a lot they can do about it.

Email their CEOs or some shit instead.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

"Yeah sorry boss, i didn't actually read the email, instead i had an AI summarize it for me and it got a key detail wrong. Anyway what's a couple thousand dollars in lost sales right"

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago
[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago

https://orbitbymozilla.com/terms

4. Content

A. Content You Share

By using the Services, you represent that you will only share material (including Inputs) that you own and/or have the legal right to share and sublicense to others, including without limitation, content and data contained in any web-page shared through the Services to generate Outputs. When you submit your own content through the Services, you continue to own the rights to that content. You grant Mozilla a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, sub-license, prepare derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display the Inputs for the purpose of operating the Services.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the link to the privacy policy. You notice, at the bottom, it has links to both "About Mozilla" and "About FakeSpot"?

When you run the Orbit extension, it connects to two domains with every request:

  1. orbitbymozilla.com
  2. prod.orbit-ml-front-api.fakespot.prod.webservices.mozgcp.net

There's FakeSpot again.

And FakeSpot has a terrible privacy policy that allows sale of private data directly to advertisers.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, that's a no-go. I probably wasn't going to use it anyway, but if it had a decent privacy policy, I might at least try it.

But no, not happening.

[-] [email protected] 84 points 1 day ago

Orbit currently uses a version of Mistral LLM (Mistral 7B) that is locally hosted on Mozilla’s Google Cloud Platform instance.

Hmm.

>locally hosted

>Google Cloud

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sounds like they’re running their own LLM instance on googles cloud infrastructure vs using something like OpenAI via API.

As web dev parlance it makes sense but for marketing it is definitely confusing and they should do better.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, we "self-host" our app at AWS at work, which means we configure everything ourselves. I "self-host" a VPS at Hetzner for personal projects, and my actual data is actually self-hosted on a machine on my LAN.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It’s a thing.

Remember how the cloud is someone else’s server? Now you can buy it (or lease) and bring it home, and it becomes only sorta someone else’s.

Amazon and Azure offer their own on-prem products.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

"Locally hosted" means it's running on the local host. In this case, that would mean on the same computer running Firefox.

Calling something that is only accessible over the internet "locally hosted" is outrageous doublespeak.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Information We Share.

We use third parties to provide the Service to you, and have contracted with these companies requiring them to protect your information (Third-Party Services):

Google Cloud Platform. Google Cloud Platform (GCP) is a cloud-computing platform. We use GCP to manage services that facilitate responses to user prompts and page summarization.

https://orbitbymozilla.com/privacy

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

I don't want that. I want full control and absolute privacy. I do not want your AI reading my emails. Look at that summary, it's as long as the whole email, and you're not going to be able to trust that it picked up on the most important part of the email. This is not efficiency, this is novelty.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Pretty sure the email is longer than is shown, hence why the last sentence is cut off

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Here's the summary of their example article (or perhaps the page?):

This email expresses a sarcastic and exaggerated perspective on the advancements and implications of Artificial Intelligence (AI). The author begins by expressing excitement about the technological marvels of AI, but then proceeds to poke fun at the complexity and convoluted nature of AI, its ability to predict our actions, and the replacement of human interaction with AI chatbots. The author also mocks the idea of AI-generated content and its ability to replicate human creativity, and the potential ethical concerns of relying on AI for decision-making. The email concludes with a sarcastic call to embrace the "glory" of AI and its potential to take over human autonomy. The tone of the email is light-hearted and humorous, but it also raises valid concerns about the role and impact of AI on our lives.

This isn't really a summary, there's some interpretation going on as well. I don't want AI to do any form of interpretation, but if it does so, it should be as metadata below the actual summary.

And honestly, I almost never get an email that I actually want to summarize. Most of them I can either completely ignore (corporate BS), or they're short and to the point. So it's weird to me that email is the first thing they mention.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Then don't install the extension?

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Well, you can just... not install the extension then?

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

“AI you can trust” …

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Orbit currently uses a version of Mistral LLM (Mistral 7B) that is locally hosted on Mozilla’s Google Cloud Platform instance.

So it connects to Google Cloud for this? What does that mean "locally", if its a Cloud Platform? And what does that mean "Mozilla's", if its Google? I'm a bit confused with this sentence.

Does it download and execute it locally offline or does it send the data to Google Cloud Platform?? The page is not clear about this and I searched for an answer. I have the same Mistral 7B model that I downloaded from HuggingFace website and can use offline with a specific GUI application. It would be nice if I could Firefox point to that file instead.

Otherwise, this does not look very promising and I wouldn't trust it at the moment.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Google Distributed Cloud allows you to run Google Cloud Platform locally in your own datacenter. They can deploy apps to that infrastructure and use the cloud console for management, or even use normal kubernetes tools for it.

Couldn’t say if that’s what they’re actually doing, but running Google Cloud locally is a thing.

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