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[-] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago

The civilian settlers who are taking Palestinian homes by force are an occupying force.

The attack by Hamas was not legitimate because it was against random civilians.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

I agree entirely. But to them, Israelis are all 'settlers'.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I'm not saying Israelis are guilty or deserved the attack on civilians, but Israel is a settler-colonial state. So is the US, but I'm not going to call for every US citizen with colonial roots to be forced off the continent (especially since that would include myself, my ancestors - including recent ones - were awful people who did awful things).

You can acknowledge that the state of Israel is an illegal settlement without calling for genocide, just as you can acknowledge that the US is founded on stolen land without calling for death to all Americans.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My point was that they regard all Israelis as culpable in the same manner as those currently constructing illegal settlements in the West Bank and shooting Palestinians, and use such terminology as a means of justifying their view of collective guilt.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

This is their name for the attack by Hamas on a music festival, is that right?

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Daily reminder that tankies aren't leftists.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

stolen your homes and land

...

private property should be abolished

Pick only one

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

When they say "private property" they are not referring to the people's toothbrush, but the private ownership of production. Houses and such are "personal property".

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

They are also private property. How about my machine shop? My acre of land with a garden? A dairy cow?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That depends on the use. Are you using it as a productive business for profit or just something you like, maybe even for some side money. Are you hiring employees to work it for you? Once you make it a mode of production it's considered a privately owned means of production. If it's something you just have, it's personal property.

That's the gist anyway. These are actual, defined terms and not just things people throw around on the internet. If you want something more specific, doing a search will probably get a better explanation than I'm good at giving.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

That's not what they mean by "private property." Leftists are just so goddamn stubborn that they refuse to acknowledge the immediate confusion and use any other label.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Is there anything resembling a consensus on that? They're not interested in our toothbrushes as they say, but how about arable land? A machine shop? A work truck?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Depends what you're using it for

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