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A decadent dinner costing nearly €475,000 for the U.K.’s King Charles III helped push France’s Élysée Palace — the office of President Emmanuel Macron —to a record high deficit last year. 

France’s love for grand gestures and opulent dining are fully in evidence in the pages of a damning  yearly audit of the Élysée’s budget, released on Monday by the Cour des Comptes, France’s top audit court. 

The Élysée’s spending, which includes costs related to the president’s diplomatic and presidential duties as well as administration, personnel, security and estate management, reached a whopping €125 million, plunging the books €8.3 million into the red.

Among the biggest deficit drivers were two luxurious state dinners, with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and King Charles III.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A few hundred years ago they chopped heads off of kings and queens for spending too much on everything, and now they do it for them

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I'm all for eating a nice dinner. But how do you get to a dinner bill that size?

[–] [email protected] 91 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Famous chefs who have more people requesting them than they have time in the day, so they go to whoever pays the most.

Like, Gordon Ramsey still does private events, but only if they pay more than he could be making with his TV deals.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Meanwhile just as good chefs that didn't get the fame break (or possibly better but their personality means they shouldn't be let out of the kitchen) are struggling to make ends meet.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago

same as it ever was.

Pick an industry that is also the case. In marketing There are people earning 7 figures for configuring a Google ads deck that a talented undergrad could do in half the time

In acting you can just throw a dart at the SAG directory.

Painting, music, business administration, politics. You name it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Gordon: welcome to my fancy private dinner experience. What can I make for you?

Guest: I would like your finest grilled cheese sandwich please.

Gordon: oh fuck, oh shit!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (9 children)

You may have to be more specific with the definition of grilled cheese for him.

Ramsay's "ultimate" grilled cheese

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What the fuck was that?? I was hoping for some chronic grilly chee but that was an abomination. I’ve seen children make better grilled cheese sandwiches.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Lol I can hear him saying that.

Also for good measure

"for dessert I'd like, a banana freshly peeled with a small glass of grocery store orange juice."

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Perfection costs a whole lot more than really, really good because costs go up exponentially.

You need multiple times the staff on hand to cook and server everything at the same time, and they should be highly paid professionals. You need to be able to discard the majority of your food supplies, which already cost a lot more than normal, to have the perfect version of every dish. The setting probably costs a lot to set up and clean up after, and attention to detail costs time and money.

It is a huge waste, but that is why it costs so much.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Everyone also has to pass a bunch of security and background checks, which costs money as well. And i am sure the supply chains for staye dinners are more expensive for the same reason

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mark up everything by 500%

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Do you mean 500x? Because that looks like 500x.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Well, la de da with your fancy regular €100K dinners.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

Step one is probably hosting it at the Palace of Versailles

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They felt they had money to burn after cutting pensions?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I misread that at first and thought you said "cutting peasants".

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Hand fished, gold coated lobster: $1,000 Cooking the lobster: $474,000

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why didn’t the king foot the bill he’s the king and he’s rich.

Let the heads roll.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Kings aint get rich by paying for shit.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago

I guess this solves part of the mystery about why the French rioted when they raised the retirement age last year

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

This breaks down into a nightmare in my mind.

What are the components of a meal and the service attached to it that can be stretched to the maximum for someone who "has everything".

Honestly, expensive produce doesn't generate this sort of expense.

Must the catering staff all hold MBA's? Each fork is hundreds of years old and polished to a mirror finish?

The carpet and underlay, is freshly laid for the meal; and then immediately ripped up and destroyed afterwards.

I doubt Charles passed along the edict that he requires an outrageously ostentatious meal, but the French "just knew" that was the right thing to do.

I want to believe heads of state would be content eating the same meals that are served in the Olympic village.

This is the worst form of consumerism, you just point to your nose and people scramble to pamper you with praise, favour and treats.

What a truly wonderful way to outsource waste, without feeling any personal responsibility towards the consequences of your lifestyle.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And that's to please a king, so it's not like a political favor. Macron is getting nothing out of this.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

Peasants have been complaining about royal feasts throughout history. You're just one scrap going through a long line of machines that chew you up, squeeze taxes out of you, and spit you out the other end to dig another hole.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

Then the rich act shocked and appalled when people talk about a violent uprising.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why would you waste all that money on a king who is a figurehead at best ?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Because it's big club and we ain't in it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I think it was a 100 person dinner full of french and english celebrities, including macron, and the king.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

France should’ve elected a left wing majority. Now you’re stuck with Macron’s classist attitude.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

A Frenchman wining and dining an English monarch. What has the world come to.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What. How do you even spend that much on a dinner, even for 1000 people.

And like. It's King Charles. I loved the Queen and thought she was iconic, and even I don't really care about Charles. All of my friends in my circle actively despise him and what he represents. Literally why are you trying to curry favour with him that hard.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

for 1000 people

$500 per person wouldn't be that much, given that a middle-class wedding often costs around $250 per person. (I'm guessing each guest at this dinner drank well over $500 of wine alone.)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I have no clue how you define "middle-class" but not even the fanciest weddings I've been to have spent even close to $250 per person. That kind of expenditure sounds quite a lot more like upper-class to me. Assuming you invite 100 people to the wedding, an average Joe will not have 25k to spend on one party.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

the national average cost of a wedding in 2023 was $35,000

Source.

The average American wedding cost $29,000 in 2023.

Source.

The average cost of a wedding is $33,000 in 2024.

Source.

I assume that these estimates are based on different datasets, and my guess is that they're biased upwards, but they do roughly match what I know from personal experience.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The issue with these statistics is that they look at the average, which is heavily boosted by the exceptionally expensive weddings of the higher upper-class. The median is significantly lower.

https://silkstemcollective.com/median-and-average-wedding-cost/

Also I'm not American, maybe people there just spend a lot more on weddings in general than what I'm used to.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You're correct, but even the median (with inflation) is still probably over $20,000 right now (based on the assumptions that it was $18,000 in 2019 and 2020 is not representative). I think my broader point still stands.

I know a person currently planning a relatively small wedding, and she's trying very hard to save money. One cost-cutting measure was booking a space on the fourth floor of a building without an elevator. (She asked me whether or not it would be possible for strong guests to carry elderly guests up the stairs.) Her budget is still $10,000.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You were the Chosen One! You were supposed to guillotine the monarchs, not dine with them!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This works out to 2500 euros per person, which is expensive but not that bad in context. It's easily possible to drop hundreds at a restaurant in my medium-sized city, and an event like this is obviously at a whole other level.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Should of got maccas, it would only cost $250,000.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Can we just eat the rich already? I think I've worked up an appetite for it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Well they seem to have saved a lot by not providing reasonable quarters for the Olympic village so it probably works out in the end.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Let him eat cake next time!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Another reason why the monarchy should not exist

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Force everyone who attended to pay their $3,000 a plate bill

That's a few months of food for an average person

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Imagine you get a dish worth probably tens of thousands alone and you don't like it.

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