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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I recently moved to a German city that, whenever I mention it, is described as "ooh it's such a beautiful city!" because it wasn't bombed to shreds in the war and a lot of buildings are from 1900ish and older.

Honestly I would rather prefer to live in a building like the post. The apartments often are cut more efficiently and fit better for a family. Yeah, the outside isn't as appealing as around here but I don't live on the outside of my house, I live inside of it, so I barely care about its outsides. The other side effect of eastern blocks is that the density per square km is amazingly high. This also leads to supermarkets etc being everywhere. (I am, of course, making generalizations here.)

Of course I need to say that the energy efficiency in old eastern block houses is also awful.

But I don't want to bash the 1900s houses too much. At least they have 4-5 levels. That's still better than single family homes in the middle of a city (talking about you, pipe smoking guy in the middle of Sendling).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Painting the outside different colors would help the appeal of the buildings, at the cost of whatever thermal efficiency the color white provides

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It calls for murals!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And mosaics

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Fuck yeah!

If you think about it - such a big building is a great gigantic canvas. Like yeah, all these buildings in my city look nice from rather close with some details, but come on - a mosaic like that just rocks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Of course I need to say that the energy efficiency in old eastern block houses is also awful.

It usually can be improved with additional insulation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

We live in a house from 1900 and thanks to a lot of work our apartment has the energy efficiency grade A to B. We will also get a heat pump in the next few years. We have PV on the roof (I'm not sure what for right now), our windows are triple glassed and we have two heat exchangers thingy that sucks air from the outside and pushes inside air out. A couple of months ago they also insulated the roof of the basement better.

We are very lucky that the owner is behind all these works. Most aren't, but it is to show that you're absolutely right and how much can be done and improved. (However, I still don't like the cut of the apartment or not having an elevator/barrier free access to the basement. And the bugs.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Y'all be making fun of this, not realizing that you don't hear about a housing crisis in Eastern Europe

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And yet there definitely is one. These are still capitalist economies after all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Maybe once they run out of apartment buildings, but that's not gonna happen any time soon.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They already have. Here in poland the commie-block apartments are bought and sold on the free market and a lot of them are kept empty as an investment while people have nowhere to live.

These problems exist everywhere where there is capitalism, no matter what infrastructure was already built there before.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I don’t know the details of the situation in Poland, but Poland does have an 87% home ownership rate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Maybe once they run out of apartment buildings

Only communism can run out of apartments, under capitalism apartments are only "in high demand". In other words they are hoarded.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Lucky you if you haven't heard of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Am eastern european. There is a housing crisis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

It's over here in North America too. Houses are unaffordable almost everywhere you go.

Woo the capitalistic hellscape we always wanted

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The one time copypasting a bunch of buildings was actually a good idea

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yes.

https://youtu.be/o_QHRvjYoXw

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ctrl-C! Ctrl-V!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

https://youtu.be/o_QHRvjYoXw

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Isn't that China? (/j)

Edit: I've looked up the picture and confirmed these buildings are some of the empty city that China has constructed. I'm not sure what all the downvotes are for...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've seen buildings in Iceland that look like this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

These buildings have appeared in countless different places. I guess no one's seeing any humor in it....

Edit to add that I'd genuinely like to know where you saw them and inquire if you know any background on them. I'm very interested in the origins of these projects. I feel like I'm in one of the best places to learn from people with first-hand knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

These buildings have appeared in countless different places. I guess no one's seeing any humor in it....

https://youtu.be/o_QHRvjYoXw

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

So generic, I’m pretty sure reverse image search is bringing up buildings from Asia, Europe, South America…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same development firm got the contract?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Rather there was just one development firm, run by the state, mass producing the walls for these buildings to be assembled on site

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Pretty much that happened.

The best fucking joke is that those buildings and neighborhoods despite being absolute piss poor quality are waaay nicer, roomier and greener than what capitalist development corpos build these days. So yeah, free market for the win i guess.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Seconded. When walking around my 60s neighbourhood in Poland I can clearly see that someone sat down and planned how the neighbourhood is going to look, i.e. where there will be a store, where a kindergarten and where a school. Not to mention a huge swath of lawn with playgrounds in the middle of the buildings for the ultimate flex.

Opposite of "ok we'll sell the land and the free market will figure it out".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Quality is actually not bad. Like yea, they usually don't have modern wiring but since the construction materials used are insanely durable and thick renovating those buildings with new windows, heating, pipes and wires gets you like the best possible apartment. You will never hear your neighbours, winters are warm with minimal heating and that building will last for like centuries with minimal maintenance.

Source: Lived in one and renovated it too.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No they're not lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

At least where I live new developments are crammed so you can see directly into the windows of your neighbors, there are fences between every fucking building and the only outside there is, is a parking lot.

You have to walk through concrete plazas 15 minutes to get to a convenience store because its impossible for you to take a shortcut through another buildings parking lot, no, no. You sit in your own fucking designated area.

Meanwhile commieblocks are spaced apart with trees between them, there is no fence in sight and catch this: they made openings in the longest buildings so you can walk a shorter route wherever you’re going.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Meanwhile commieblocks are spaced apart with trees between them, there is no fence in sight

Man, I really hate current infencetation.

Meanwhile soviet city building book:

Trees
More trees
See 2
Each district has everything
Each microdistrict has at least something like school, polyclinic or kindergarden
There are no bad houses

and catch this: they made openings in the longest buildings so you can walk a shorter route wherever you’re going.

True. I couldn't find photos of them on the internets, so if you want, I can walk tomorrow and take some photos. Or you somehow find them and post for lemmy to see.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Many also have quite a lot of social areas, shopping places and good public transportation. If they are well maintained, they are far superior to the space wasting, infraatructure hungry, climate destroying sprawling suburbs of several western countries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

It's like they were built fast, cheaply and durable.

Soviet poster "Build fast, cheap and durable"