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For me, the license stuff is odd. They offer a license model with two tiers (user / server), yet the license seems to do nothing (except showing a little badge). Also, it is a one time payment which will likely not be substantial in the future.
Why not create a "supporter" tier for maybe $2 per month or so, this would bring some recurring income without the fears of paywalling the product.
They already accept donations as a means of continuous support. So I guess this is now just another channel for people who prefer buying a license over using github donations.
Edit: oh I just realized they stopped donations with the restructuring. Ok, that's weird then.
Ok, that's weird then.
FUTO's goal is to change FOSS culture. Away from "donations" and towards "payment", to make development sustainable.
The only problem is that there's no way to make a recurring payment even if I wanted to, which would be more sustainable than one-time purchases.
I think they have succeeded in pissing people off
Change usually does.
How dare you pay continued support. You will have a one time fee and be happy.
I can't wait until they make you hand enter a 30 character license key
I will wait for the "AIO Immich Ultimate Keygen" by Razor1911 ☝🏻😂
They'll supply a giant paper manual, and you'll have to look through it to find the key. DRM, 1980s style.
This is basically the doing of the futo non profit, they ate testing out if open source software can be profittable.
Louis Rossmann has a lot of videos about them (he works for them)
From what I get, you can just use it for free, but they don't say it is free to compell more people to buy it.
So basically WinRAR
That would make sense. They could even give you a badge or send you merch if you are a bigger supporter.
Stuff like this is why I can't support FUTO
From Discord
Copy this to custom CSS in the adminpanel and the license banner is gone:
.license-status{
display:none !important;
}
It is possible to set the status to licensed too vua the database, but I didn't try it.
I hope it will only be this banner. Kavita has had a donation button too and 2 updates further it was a floating button. The whole thing about licensing is heavily discussed on Discord.
I just hope they don't destroy this beautiful product.
Immich joined FUTO, and FUTO's model is that their stuff costs money but if you haven't paid you're not restricted.
A bit weird but they (FUTO) are trying to experiment with a new model.
Yep and eventually there will be a paid proprietary version. That's usually how it goes. I hope I am wrong.
They promised at least that's not how they're going to do this, at least. But in the end, it's easy to backpaddle on these promises.
Still: you can always fork the project.
Would be very difficult to switch licenses away from GPL3
They would need to do a private rewrite. Once again this is why you should never sign any kind of CLA. There isn't a CLA here but it there were it would be a simple matter of them changing the license.
If worse comes to shovel the community could fork it. That would be very hard and seriously detrimental but if they start pulling crap like this it might be time.
Declaring the use without a paid license as “Unlicensed” is very misleading since the project is also licensed under the GNU AGPL v3.0.
That's FUTO for you
Is feel a lot better about this if it was a "supporter" tag not this "unlicensed" crap.
Yeah this terminology just gives me the impression they don't consider the AGPL to an actual license
They should just have you pay to have your name listed on the list of supporters
EDIT: they've adjusted the language and integration of buying the Immich software. It's much clearer and balanced now. You can find the new info on their github announcements page, or likely in the notes of their next immich release.
ORIGINAL COMMENT
I was really looking forward to them opening a compensation option as I got in after they had taken down donation links, but this is all a bit weird. There is some good discussion happening on the github announcement page. I'll probably hold at version 1.108 for awhile until the dust settles.
I've gone through quite a few FUTO videos since they started sponsoring Immich, and it seems like the issue is that they are essentially an organization of engineers that don't have a strong background in the legalese of licensing (thus the lack of attention to the wording of the original FUTO temporary license). Their intentions and goals are solid from my perspective and the software they promote is fantastic, but it feels very much like an org run by idealistic engineers without much of a PR presence. The best PR they have is Louis Rossman, take that as you will 😄
All that being said, I have paid for a few of their other pieces of software that are single user. The part I'm not overly fond of is that it seems to be a payment for each individual user, and not a payment to be able to run the server itself. I'm sure there is rational behind it, but it just feels like this whole licensing element isn't fully baked yet.
I think that's reasonable, and is the impression I have of FUTO as well. I'm using their Android keyboard at least and have been impressed by it (although I don't have demanding needs).
There is absolutely an option to pay for the server itself, the per user option is so that it’s cheaper if you have fewer than 4. I haven’t seen anything yet about transitioning from a user license to a server license
They could have achieved the same without any license keys. Just a "Purchase" button along with an "Already purchased" one. You make the ethical judgement as to which one to click. The purchase page could have a few suggested prices along with a pay what you want option, one time and recurring.
Also I'm not too sure why FUTO are allergic to the term Donate. There's a whole generation of people who got taught how it works and what it does by Wikipedia. Slap a funding bar with a brief explanation for what it funds, add the donation options and everyone would know what's it for and why they should donate if they can.
Anyway. Purchased the thing and I'll keep supporting them till it's GPL.
I think it's a psychological barrier, donate implies totally optional.
License, purchase, makes it more transactional mentally, and tries to make it clear that this project needs support to be sustainable.
I’ll repeat here what I said on discord:
I’m no fan of stallman, but I like his quote: “I’m happy to pay for good software so long as it’s free”.
It’s important to remember that anyone with the skill to work on this project could earn a pretty good living elsewhere. We can debate the terminology, but at the end of the day devs gotta eat.
Personally, so long as it stays on the GPL they can call us “god-kings” and “filthy peasants” for all I care
Important bits that came up in the discord and I haven’t seen here:
Immich license pricing is $25 per user or $99 per server for a lifetime license.
What if I already gave them >$100?
I like having more ways to support the project, but I don't think "license" is the correct terminology they should use, unless they intend to release paid-only features which I'm not a fan of at all.
My biggest question to FUTO/Immich is if they're worried about a revenue stream, why not do something similar to Home Assistant? You never have to pay HASS a dime and never see anything to "shame" you. All you get is essentially a forwarding subdomain with some "easier" ways of doing cloud related things. There's zero "shaming" or calls to pay. I pay HASS/Nabu Casa monthly cause I'm lazy and it makes my life easier. FUTO should consider doing something similar.
After listening the video where they discussed immich joining futo, I don't have any worries. I have high hopes futo might actually be the company I have long hoped would emerge. Time will certainly tell.
I think people are getting hung up on the word license too much. Though I agree futo should have gone with a better word choice for clarity. License just means supporter in this case.
I wanted to like immich but I hate the way it imports images and creates its own structure.
It’s had an external library feature for awhile now
I am importing my externally synced and managed library to immich. It does not create any structure or edit the files.
Nothing like that is ever acceptable to show up on the dashboard of a service I am self hosting. Will not update Immich anymore unless they remove this garbage.
I can't say I support FUTO but if they are looking to drive development I am all for it
I am a huge fan of immich, been running it for quite a while, it started as just phone photo backup but it’s good enough that I’ve made it my primary photo repository (fully backed up of course). I will absolutely pay for a license but count me as one who doesn’t really like the terminology used.
I would happily put a donated or supporter badge to show off, but the unlicensed just feels a bit wrong. I have no trouble paying for software, especially as useful as immich, but in the enshittifying world we live in, such language gives one pause.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| Git | Popular version control system, primarily for code |
| HASS | Home Assistant automation software |
| HTTP | Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web |
| nginx | Popular HTTP server |
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Wish end to end encryption was on their roadmap