I would have given it a go, but reading their terms it seems they don't like people having non-foss code there, and I would like to have both my foss and non-foss projects together on one platform.
I've been thinking about self-hosting forgejo though!
Edit: I did move from GitHub to GitLab, but don't really wanna stay on GitLab either.
Similar - I thought about codeberg for the source of my interactive climate model,
but am not yet ready to give it a pure-foss license - might split in parts with different licenses. Could try self-hosting.
Off-topic but don't want that link go to waste: your link is broken! (very cool project btw)
Thanks, fixed! As you can see parts of the science code are already accessible via the 'cogs', but not yet the structural code - anyway keeps evolving, update soon.
I've been self-hosting Forgejo for a while now and I really quite like it.
I develop a moderately popular open source project and self-host it on Gitea. But I also mirror it on GitHub and accept PRs there. And one PR submitter on GitHub said they preferred to contribute there because that's where potential employers look for open source activity.
Could employers also look on Gitea/Forgejo? In theory, yes. But some of them literally ask for your GitHub profile on their application forms....
We also ask for a GitHub handle but when one supplies Codeberg or GitLab it's seen as very positive. Might not be the case for standard HR though.
Federated instances. When thats stable, I'll switch.
privacy/GDPR nightmare
Depends how it's implemented. We'll see.
Why exactly?
mind share – GitHub is the Coca-Cola of git, Codeberg and SourceHut are the RC Colas – people are already on GitHub, their projects are already on GitHub, their workflows are already on GitHub, their friends are already on GitHub, their co-workers are already on GitHub, and on and on …
it’s the same issue with Facebook – everyone knows Facebook is shit, but leaving Facebook means convincing your friends and family to leave Facebook, and convincing their friends and family to leave Facebook … outside of a global event like a pandemic, a nigh impossible task …
I disagree somewhat. In general, the network effect is very strong of course, but git is already decentralized. You can pretty much just git push to somewhere else or even use email.
The rest is just (useful) extra stuff.
GitHub has managed to conflate “git” and “GitHub” in a lot of people’s minds (including people who should know better) – git may be decentralized, but to people who think git is GitHub, it’s meaningless
Codeberg and Vervis are working on federated git which largely solves this problem IMO.
I‘m way ahead of you. Using three forgejo instances and patiently waiting for federation. I love forgejo.
Holding back? I'm not held back. Codeberg would be a step back, I self host Forgejo and am so hyped up for forgefed.
I set up mirrors for my more important stuff to Codeberg and GitHub for visibility.
About CI/CD: does Codeberg not let you enable actions, which are basically the same as GitHub actions but for self hosting? That's what I use for my self hosted CI. I think you can add your own workers for orgs, repos, and profiles too on Forgejo, should be doable on Codeberg too. (I don't use Codeberg CI, only my own)
How do you feel about privacy/GDPR in relation to federated services like this? Seems a bit of a minefield and probably most all of those services are not technically legal.
Why exactly would it not be ok with the gdpr? I can't think of anything right now. Having a few diverse isn't really a new idea, it's basically the www all over again and mastodon and lemmy &Co exist already.
Or are you referring to registering CI workers? That might be a bit of a problem, yeah, as you're basically giving the git hoster remote code execution (on a docker container). Not really a problem if you host your own of course.
For one there's no incentive for individuals running an instance to care about compliance in the first place, regardless of the actual issues at play. One obvious issue that comes to mind is the right to be forgotten. FOSS software can be easily modified and if servers don't comply with such requests properly then your rights are being violated and good luck doing anything useful about it.
Does GDPR even apply to instances not hosted in countries covered by it? No.
It does. It applies to any service that has a single EU user. And that doesn’t mean someone in the EU. It means an EU citizen, even if they are living abroad.
I mean, they can say it but good luck enforcing it outside the EU's legal jurisdiction.
Anyone who ever hopes to actually move or operate in the EU will be forced to comply. So an instance owner in the fediverse might operate their instance out of the US. Then the US enacts some law to force handing over user data. The server owner wants to move (themselves or the server) to the EU. Well, they’re now fucked.
Or if an instance owner wants to sell something on the site, guess you’re not selling to 50% of your users.
GDPR applies only to people (even non-EU citizens) who "live" on the territory of EU. EU citizens who leave, don't have the GDPR protection anymore. There was an affair last year when google started notifying people about transferring their account data to non-EU datacenters after it detected them connecting from a foreign IP when they went for a holiday to Thailand for a month. So clearly you have some misunderstandings of GDPR. Also GDPR prevents selling stuff??
That is incorrect. I implemented GDPR for a finance company whose lawyers are contracted to companies like Google to fix their legal mistakes so I trust the lawyers at that company far more than I trust Google’s. That affair you’re describing could easily be taken to court as they are failing to uphold gdpr.
And you can easily go look up the law yourself. https://www.compliancejunction.com/gdpr-frequently-asked-questions/
Does GDPR Apply to EU Citizens Living Abroad?
GDPR protects the personal data and the rights of data subjects as long as they are EU citizens, no matter where they are living.
@tyler Well, they are doing it: https://piunikaweb.com/2021/04/24/google-emails-about-change-of-country-of-association-issue-escalated/ When I followed the steps and wanted to set my country back to Europe, they responded "After reviewing your account, we think your current country association is accurate and we didn't change anything." (keeping the wrong one, non-EU country). Note Google LLC is in USA, Google Ireland Limited is in EU https://policies.google.com/faq#associated-country
contact your local Data Protection Authority. https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rights-citizens/redress/what-should-i-do-if-i-think-my-personal-data-protection-rights-havent-been-respected_en
Again companies operating in the EU. While you may have implemented compliance it doesn't mean you understand the law.
If not in the EU, this doesn't impact a business not planning to operate there.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that the lawyers I implemented it for understand it a lot better than you (and yes even Google's lawyers).
If not in the EU, this doesn’t impact a business not planning to operate there.
it does if you ever will operate there though. Many many companies eventually need to do business in the EU. So not following GDPR is just asking to never be allowed to operate there ever. Fine for local newspapers, not fine for a finance company that eventually needs to do business across national boundaries.
it does if you ever will operate there though
In other words for most people, no impact.
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Most people aren’t companies. I’m guessing you’ve never run a company. You want to keep options open, for so many reasons.
Honestly, I'm just happy with GitLab. Their CI is fantastic and the other built-ins are great too. I haven't felt the need to switch.
@danielquinn @Tomkoid That might change very quickly after Gitlab finds a buyer.
I use codeberg for public repos and gitlab for private repos (codeberg doesnt like people hosting private repos on there—theyll allow it but they strongly encourage people to make their projects public, especially after your repo reaches a certain size).
I wouldn't say that codeberg is not widely used. A lot of the software I use is hosted on there. I would say that the most common git hosting platforms I see for foss projects is github > self-host > sourcehut > codeberg > gitlab > other. But that's obviously a selected sample of the software I tend to use or at least browse.
Can you elaborate on their actions on discouraging users' private repo? Ty.
I was hosting a private repo on there and it got to ~100MB at which point there was a banner at the top of my repo basically saying that they would encourage me to make it public considering the size. I don't remember if they stopped me from doing further pushes because of the size or not, but at that point I moved it to gitlab
I don't think there's anything wrong with them doing this btw, they're not a cloud file hosting service, they're a foss-promoting git hosting service so I think it's reasonable enough that they prefer people share their projects especially beyond a certain size.
Good to know. Ty.
GitHub constantly becomes more bloated, clunky and privacy/license concerning AI BS. It almost feels like using 2010 TFS server with git flavor. Unfortunately, It has a huge user base and it's hard to incentivize people to use other platforms.
It's easier for well-established projects to host their own git infrastructure. But for new projects and solo developer, it harder to get interaction on other platforms. I think that's why even Gitea team uses GitHub as a main location for development. Similarly, I still mirror my public repositories to GitHub for the same reasons even though I prefer using my own Gitea server.
I'll probably use Codeberg or another Forgejo server for my next programming project, if/when I have one that is far enough along to publish (motivating myself to get that far is a tall task). Until then, everything I'd consider contributing to is either on GitHub, or is self-hosting some other software, so I don't have a reason to create an account yet.
I don't know exactly about Woodpecker CI because I haven't used it very much, but GitHub Actions is Beta software. Has A LOT of bugs, no QoL features, spaghetti codebase, the Runners are AWFUL to selfhost... and I could go on.
Already using Codeberg.
Personally, it's because I don't code
I don't really code, on the rare occasion that I do it's for some one-off thing I don't really care about maintaining or documenting.
That color.
A) I never heard about it before right now
B) Now I've only heard about it through ~~an ad~~ a post whose title looks exactly like an ad, so I'm negatively predisposed to it. But I guess any publicity is good publicity.
Nah, it's quite big and well known in open source circles.
You do you, though.
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