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Progressive Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) announced Wednesday that there are currently enough votes in the Senate to suspend the filibuster to codify Roe v. Wade and abortion rights if Democrats win control of the House and keep the Senate and White House.

“We will suspend the filibuster. We have the votes for that on Roe v. Wade,” Warren said on ABC’s “The View.”

She said if Democrats control the White House and both chambers of Congress in 2025, “the first vote Democrats will take in the Senate, the first substantive vote, will be to make Roe v. Wade law of the land again in America.”

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[–] [email protected] 277 points 3 months ago (30 children)

"if Democrats win control of the House and keep the Senate and White House."

You should have done that years ago when you had the opportunity and everyone was telling you, begging you, to do it.

Now it's too late.

[–] [email protected] 143 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's not too late but they're not getting credit until they actually fucking do it and they deserve credit for just saying they want to do it without doing it.

(Edit: And to be clear the credit they're going to get would be credit for doing the bare minimum, long after they promised to do it, long after they had multiple opportunities to do it.)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even if they agree to get rid of the filibuster on this one issue, it won't do any good with the House under Republican control.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

With the receeding of GOP support on this issue alone, there is no fucking way way they are keeping the Senate or House. Every dipshit political analyst out there who has not been paying attention for the last 1.5 years needs a swift kick in the head over their awful projection maps (looking at you, Nate). They've consistently been wrong, and calling all these flips in support "SURPRISES!".

It's not surprising that women and reasonable people are making this their single issue to vote on, and against normal party lines. It will carry to November, and until this bullshit is ended. Watch.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

Holy fucking shit, I wish I shared your generalized optimism

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I want to believe! ;)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Whether this winds up being true or not, you’ve made my day just a bit better with your optimism. Thanks my dude.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago (11 children)

They've only had a filibuster-proof majority once since 1980. They used it to pass the ACA (which should have included codifying Roe v Wade, among other things). It's not too late if we can elect enough willing Congress members.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is a story about suspending the filibuster. Which they should have done in Obama's term instead of letting Lieberman dictate terms for the insurance industry.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (16 children)

I'm aware of that. They need 51 votes to do it. They talked about suspending the filibuster in 2020 but Manchin and Sinema shut that down.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Roe v Wade looked secure in 2008. It's only in hindsight that we can say "coulda woulda shoulda".

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (22 children)

Just for fun, I looked at the last 50 years to see WHEN they could have codified Roe. There were only 4 periods with dem trifectas:

-1977-81 senate majority 6

-1993-95 senate majorty 4

-2009-11 senate majority 9 (10 for a month)

-2021-23 senate majority 1

The senate majority is the number of senators you could loose who didn't want to get rid of the filibuster on this topic OR who were pro life (like Harry Reid, the senate majority leader from 2005 to 2017, though in the senate from 1987-2017)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The problem is the Dems have TWO conservative senators who refused to codify Roe. Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema both refused to suspend the filibuster.

So we did NOT have a filibuster-proof majority 2021-2023.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

If they have all of those things (again) and still don't give us Medicare for all (again) I'm fucking done.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

I think Machinema opposed it then. Though if she says she's got 50 now, it requires at least one of them. They should have done this all in Obama's first term though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

You mean in the couple months that the democrats controlled all three branches of government in the past 20 years? During that time we got the ACA. Vote blue across the board in November to have a chance at getting all three branches blue again to actually accomplish something.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why didn’t anyone think to do this 16 years ago? Back when we were all getting health care?

[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm once again going to steal these comments from one I had saved a month ago, penned by @[email protected] :

Since 1981 Democrats have had control of the Presidency and Congress a whopping 4 years. One 2 year period under Clinton and one under Obama. That’s without factoring in the ability to fillibuster in the Senate. In over 40 years they’ve only had control 10% of the time.

and

That period of filibuster-proof control during Obama’s term is why we have the ACA. It was ~70 days and they passed the largest healthcare overhaul in generations.

Sounds like they were a little busy with the ACA.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Sounds like they were a little busy with the ACA.

Ive said this fairly recently, it's disgusting that our only major "achievement" in the last 40 years is a fucking REPUBLICAN markets based "solution."

"We" didn't even get to have what we wanted, we just have a watered down Romneycare program... Even when Republicans aren't in control they're in control...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

And the Republicans still tried to kill it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

A really good point. People upset that democrats don't do anything when we have power, it's because republicans are bad faith actors hell bent on fighting any and all progress, but especially when that progress could be attributed to democrats. Their contribution to governance can be surmised as cutting off their own nose to spite their face.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Republicans had full control and failed to kill the ACA, so that's extra salt for that wound 😆

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For a couple reasons. Some cynically wanted to continue to use abortion as a political football. Codifying Roe in any meaningful way in their minds would have meant they had to find a new wedge issue to drive turnout and donations. We saw this on the other side when SCOTUS actually overturned it and the right didn't know what to do with themselves for a while.

Then maybe in part because of the former, there were a bunch of people that naively didn't believe they'd actually entirely destroy Roe. They genuinely thought the worst that could possibly happen was some minor restrictions at the margins. So those people were not motivated enough to actually do something about it.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then maybe in part because of the former, there were a bunch of people that naively didn’t believe they’d actually entirely destroy Roe.

As someone in their fifties, I've thought the matter was settled and the bleating of random protesters was just the status quo of abortion in the US for decades, FWIW.

And lets not forget this aspect of the conservative scotus.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (16 children)

How many times has Lucy promised to not pull back the football at the last moment?

They can't be trusted to follow through

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you can do it for RvW (which they absolutely should) then go ahead and fix the other stuff that supposedly requires a law like how to exclude fascist candidates from being elected president and legalizing weed and single payer health care and prohibiting book bans (1st amendment) and reproductive rights and everything else that has had the excuse of not being able to overcome a filibuster.

Actually do stuff!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, that was exactly Warren's strategy when she was running. She's been anti-filibuster and do-stuff for a long time. Warren at least wouldn't be like "well, we solved the Roe thing, but that was a special case, now let's just stop doing good things".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Warren would have been fucking awesome. I'm so disappointed it didn't work out, but I'm also not surprised. She is the real deal. We can't actually get a president who is truly committed to bank reform and breaking up monopolies.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

there are currently enough votes in the Senate

do it now then

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Quick civics lesson, there are two houses and they only have a "majority" in one. They need both.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Can we just get rid of the fucking Lazy Filibuster, already? After all we know these geriatrics don't have the capacity to stand for hours and hours on the floor. To merely threaten cloture to filibuster is just dumb.

We almost did, but then Sinema blew it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

TBH I feel like there needs to be a general look at ways to prevent 'spamming' for want of a better word in government. Like the filibuster, and also that thing where after Obamacare was passed and the Republicans tried to repeal it over 70 times in the first few years. I get that situations change and you might need to change a law, but at a certain point you're just being belligerent and wasting everyone's time IMO.

Also it should be illegal to tack on irrelevant laws to popular bills to try and get them passed, but that's a whole other thing.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

What does "suspend the filibuster" mean? Like people won't be able to filibuster anymore?

edit: I know what the filibuster is ... I'm curious about the suspension piece.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago

It's probably specific wording used to mollify Democrats who aren't comfortable just getting rid of it for good. They'll do all the stuff to get rid of it, but make the new rule "for this vote only". Hopefully by the time that happens they'll have come to their senses and just get rid of it.

The filibuster, if you're not familiar with it, isn't a law. It's a rule in the Senate's procedures. Whoever has a majority could just change the rule, as was done for non-Supreme judges by Democrats and then done for Supreme Court judges by Republicans.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

FUUUCKIN DO IT

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

I too trust that this Supreme Court will not strike down this new codified Roe instantly on some pretext. The Supreme Court is entirely above board and not political in any way.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If only Biden weren’t oLd…. I’m guessing Trump isn’t going to support this, right?

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