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Rooftop where gunman shot at Trump was identified as a security vulnerability before rally: sources (www.nbcnews.com)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Two sources told NBC News that the Secret Service flagged a building near the rally site as a security concern. Investigators will be scrutinizing how a gunman was allowed to scale it.

The rooftop where a gunman shot at former President Donald Trump during a campaign rally was identified by the Secret Service as a potential vulnerability in the days before the event, two sources familiar with the agency’s operations told NBC News.

The building, owned by a glass research company, is adjacent to the Butler Farm Show, an outdoor venue in Butler, Pennsylvania. The Secret Service was aware of the risks associated with it, the sources said.

“Someone should have been on the roof or securing the building so no one could get on the roof,” said one of the sources, a former senior Secret Service agent who was familiar with the planning.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

There is like literally four fucking rooftops near the vicinity of the stage and you didn't think to secure one of them? Thanks for making Trump a hero mf.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The second worst thing that could have happened is trump not being assassinated.

The worst thing that could have happened is trump almost being assassinated.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The thing that most helped his chances happened. And of course this is a pure coincidence

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

based on this logic: if republicans want to really guarantee his victory they should shoot at him more

[+] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can you stop with this whole false flag BS? The kid was over 400 feet away. The margin for error with a rifle at that distance, shooting for a target that small is zero. A slightly stiffer left to right wind and the bullet shatters his skull and Trump is picking bits of bone fragments out of his brain. Or if he shifts his head tenths of a second before the shooter pulls the trigger. Or if the sights were zeroed the day before.

It's asinine to believe that this was staged. There's a 20 year old kid shot dead on the roof by secret service and a 50 year old bystander dead in the stands behind Trump. Trump got lucky. Just as he always fucking does. I wish that wasn't the case, but that's what happened and now we just need to figure out how we deal with it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

None of your reasoning follows. You think the shooting is suspicious, but have no evidence to believe it was a "false flag". Don't accuse others of not playing make-believe correctly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Brave words for someone who commented and then blocked

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It does follow. If one crazy republican kid shooting at him increases the odds of him being elected why wouldn't a second or third?

[+] [email protected] -9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

A successful assassination would've been the worst.

Do you really think if Hitler was assassinated anything changed? Maybe a leader with the same goals but without brain rot would've taken over, and not made critical blunders.

If people wouldn't support Putin, he would be long dead by his closest men.

Republicans would have the same agenda but without the guy blurting it out whenever he can.

The machinery is running and you have to stop the machine, not the messenger.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

The RNC starts today. The Republicans would have to scramble to pick a candidate for president the weekend before they show off their candidate for president. It would have caused chaos for them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Maybe a leader with the same goals but without brain rot would’ve taken over, and not made critical blunders.

People always say this, but I think it's a rather facile analysis.

Fascism when fully instituted basically doesn't work as a governing ideology. Many countries have tried it and many countries have found that out.

Sure, there's sometimes encampments; there's sometimes secret police; there's sometimes using the military on your own countrymen; there's sometimes genocides; there's sometimes surveillance; there's sometimes lots of things...but you know what it always breeds? A government full of distrusting, incompetent, loyalist boobs that are slaves to one man's dumb ass ideas.

There is no competent version of fascism because one man alone cannot "fix it". Even a singular genius cannot rule a modern country based upon just his own ideas, he has to have a group of competent people surrounding him, triaging issues, and analyzing different things...those type of people don't tend to want to work for the type of backbiting, dark triad narcissists that nearly always sit at the center of fascist government.

Fascism leads to dark, terrible things, but it's basically always, at its heart, a kakistocracy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

gestures broadly at recent SCOTUS decision stripping menial day to day bullshit from experts at their respective agencies to Trump shill judges

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

History would disagree with you. How many dictatorships ended with the death of the dictator?

The dictators usually get killed after they have been thrown over.

How many assissinations have there been that support your claim?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not every dictatorship is fascist.

EDIT: Besides you were originally making the argument that there could be a "more competent" Trump which is what my reply was talking about. Fascist governments are, in my opinion, inherently incompetent. Even the whole "Mussolini made the trains run on time" crap was just rhetoric and propaganda.

There are other forms of government by effectively one "chosen" person (i.e. dictatorships), and I don't think they necessarily have to be fully staffed up with incompetents in the same way fascist regimes naturally have to be.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well the US is headed for civil war one way or another, unless they get rid of their current supreme court.

Trump is very much an iconic, celebrity like figure. If you cut off his head, im not sure the republican hydra can magically regrow another head that does what he does.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Imagine one of his sycophants taking control, asserting his authoritarianism in His name. Imaging Cheetoh-head up on the the cross, where now he can be your idol regardless whether even he would be that extreme

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Lmfao trump ain't no hero. Getting shot at doesn't instantly make you a better person. He was a piece of shit before getting shot at and I'm sure he'll act more of a piece of shit after.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

"I like candidates who don't get shot"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

He isn't a hero in the literal sense, but he is the person who "people are trying to silence", and who is "fighting the good fight", so people will see him as the hero they need to save the US and this attack legitimised his victimising persona

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

he will be treated like one though

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, by morons that already treated him like a hero.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

and by the people in the fence who have republican tendencies who were not planning to vote before but will now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Has Trump said anything since the shooting? (Other than the announcement he clearly didn't write?)

Normally we can never get the guy to shut up, two full days of silence when he can milk the publicity of this is baffling.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago

Uh oh. The SS better stage another quick phone upgrade so they can accidentally lose all the evidence again.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago

The target is an ongoing security threat, too

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Handrail looks like dude is defending the president with a vacuum.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago

Interesting. Welp nothing to see here