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this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2024
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It's totally accurate if the extra 15% that shows up is all people voting for Biden.
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If the Republicans win this one, you won't have to worry about voting ever again.
Unless the democrats have an actual plan, they can actually get through congress, to unwind the legal framework for fascism that the republicans have built it won't matter in the long run anyway...
Like seriously we're in the end game now, without an actual plan to stop it the next republican president will be our last.
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I'm voting blue, and you should too
But if it's a competition for engagement, why did we have to go with the least engaging candidate possible?
Because the system isn't fixed yet.
Unfortunately, we have to engage in order to fix it. It won't just fix itself so that we can participate with a clean ~~ego~~ conscience.
Okay... But let's walk it out... Say turn out is good enough to beat Trump this time... Biden gets in again... What's the next step? How do we then get him and the Dems to fix the system? Probably not even that hard... Ranked choice, end dark money, end gerrymandering... The rest will likely sort itself out... So what? Do we call our elected reps and say, okay, this time I really mean it, you fix this dumpster fire or else... Else what?
(Just to keep this from getting derailed... I'm voting for Biden and so should everyone, especially in the swing states.)
But I've heard this song before... Over and over... Just vote like you're told to this time, and then we'll fix the system later... And like clockwork we're right back here every 4 years... And god forbid anyone ever point out that we did this exact same dance last time, and we got them in, and shocker of all shockers, they didn't fucking fix anything about the system. Shit, they didn't even try.
So show me the Democrat's plan to fix the system. Or I guess it is already "fixed"... How are they going to unfuck it?
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So much this. This is a shitty game, but the only way to fix the game, is to play. Keep voting blue to beat the fascist reds, and in primaries, vote with your heart. A strong voter turnout for both will make the red party irrelevant until they move more to the center, while also pushing blue more left.
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At this point I vote just to say that I did. I don't expect voting is the way that America is going to fix its problems. We're voting in a two-party system where both sides do everything in their power to maintain the status quo. We simply do not have a seat at the table.
There are some options:
- grassroots voter advocacy, à la Stacey Adams
- grow and build a viable third party by joining with Democrats during electoral college cycles (or, stay at the state level until big enough)
- work with Democrats to propose, write, enact, and defend progressive policies that are wanted
- skip the politics and go into media
Those are the only other non-violent, legal things I can think of atm to change it. Obviously I think the third is most viable, but mostly that’s from watching the others not work yet. New media continues to change structures though.
The voter turnout according to the VEP metric was 66.9% in 2020 and yet Dems don't have majority in senate so this meme is already wrong.
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Replacing First Past The Post voting with a more representative electoral system such as Ranked Choice voting would allow more then 2 political parties to be viable with no spoiler effect.
This would increase engagement as more people would be represented by the extra parties. This would increase voter turnout and... going off of your own post... would increase the number of voters for the democratic party.
More democracy, more representation in government, more democratic voters. A win win win for the people of the USA and the DNC.
Since the electoral system is managed at the state level, one must wonder why the democrats haven't implemented this easy win mode in the states they control. It's clear democrats understand the faults of First Past The Post voting. Just talk to any one of them about voting third party and they will go on and on about how its a wasted vote. Well if you understand the flaws of the voting system so well, why haven't you done anything to fix the problem? For longer then I've been alive...
How would the republicans prevent this reform if they don't control these blue states? Who is standing in the way of electoral reform in these democratic strong holds?
If you believe the Republicans are an existential threat, you should be on board with using every tool available to prevent that right? That means passing electoral reform in your state ASAP. We should be asking our representatives why they aren't using every tool at their disposal to defeat the republicans.
Since the electoral system is managed at the state level, one must wonder why the democrats haven't implemented this easy win mode in the states they control.
Because political parties are more concerned about donations and influence than democracy. Destroying the two party system would see their monopoly of influence slowly dwindle away
They don't see Republicans as an existential threat, they see the Republicans as a canary in a coal mine. The Republicans act as a gauge to see exactly how low their own constituents will allow them to sink before they get in trouble. So long as Democrats can look good by comparison, they will continue to serve their donors and themselves over the needs of the people.
Replacing First Past The Post voting with a more representative electoral system such as Ranked Choice voting would allow more then 2 political parties to be viable with no spoiler effect.
As a result, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party would oppose getting rid of First Past the Post because it gives them an advantage in elections. So, in order to get rid of First Past the Post, you would need to first elect a third party. Unfortunately, because of First Past the Post, you're not going to be able to elect a third party.
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The current political crisis is a competition of ideas. Specifically who can spread their ideas the farthest and the fastest. Neo-liberalism is entrenched in our society and because of that fascism is on the rise. People reflexively reject socialism without understanding that the ideas work and would improve our lives.
We need to vote for Biden in 2024, because he is going to be the Democratic nominee. But defeating Trump will not be the end of this problem. Unless we successfully perform a political revolution we are going to be in this same situation with the threat of a fascist take-over every presidential election.
We need wealth redistribution and also systemic change to our political and economic institutions. To do that we do need high voter turnout. We need people to vote for socialists and progressives in 2026 and 2028. To get those votes we need to change minds.
I personally appreciate the sentiment of this meme, because we need to be encouraging voter turnout. But the fascist movement will only grow the longer we stick with neo-liberalism. The more wealth inequality grows the more people who will be susceptible to fascist ideas.
Neoliberalism is causing fascism, therefore we need to vote for Biden, the neo-liberal...
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"vote blue" is so cringe and culty. I mean ya, I am going to vote that way out of self defence... But that particular phrase is definitely not going to speak to someone who didn't already drink the party Kool aid.
Democrats are not your friend, they're just another powerful political establishment. Republicans are your enemy though.
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Do non-voter really lean left or is this just some unsubstantiated BS?
I used to work for the party and had access to the VAN database (Democratic party database). Also remember that specific information being passed around. IIRC, this had been true most of my life up to that point (2008). I suspect it is still true. If voter turnout was high, Republicans would lose so many races their impact on the country would be negligible. It shows you why turning away voters and discouraging voters is a cornerstone of their strategy.
The thing is if we actually showed up the whole country would shift left. This would force both parties to move left to compensate for the shift in their districts and the angry disaffected voters would actually get what they wanted. But for some reason how our system works is basically magic to most people. So instead some throw up their hands and say "my vote doesn't matter anyway".
Traditionally yes. Since the right went crazy it’s a little harder to see how much left.
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It’s much easier to get 65% turnout when it’s a candidate we can get excited about.
You might notice there are a ton of candidates on your ballot who aren't running for president
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Something tells me this isn't true
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i support the message, but if this is true why is the dem party hell bent on keeping the candidate who isn't actually engaging his base enough to make them want to go out and vote? If biden wins, I'll be surprised. Happy, of course, but surprised nonetheless.
The wealthy donate to both parties
If Dems ran a candidate voters want. They'd get majorities in both houses, not long till super majorities.
And then there's no excuse not to do what voters want.
Moderate Dems want to win, but only by so much they're not able to do anything in office.
Was looking for this comment so I didn't have to type it out. It's never about winning for Democrats because then they'd have to actually do what they said they would. It's much more convenient to have the Republicans blocking everything they do while they're in power so they can then demonize them.
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What does "win in-a walk" mean? i can't grok this statement. (not a native english speaker)
I am a native English speaker and I have never heard this phrase before, so don't worry it's not you!
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Why is Lemmy turning into Reddit.
Because Spez is a greedy dickhole and a lot of redditors left because of it only to come here as a replacement.
The second there was a sizable population here both parties had their diehard supporters sign up.
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All it takes is for the Democrat Party to move a bit to the Left or alternatively as this post requests *checks notes* 22 million voters to move to the Right and vote for people such as the current *checks notes* unwavering supporter of a ethno-Fascist regime and ideology currently committing a Genocide which according to a study publish in the Lancet is already estimated to have killed over 180 thousand people, a large fraction of which are children.
It's not as if the Democrat Party is getting much in the way of votes from their Right, so one has to wonder why exactly is the DNC doing all it can to stop the easy solution of the party having leaders who actually act the suppose Left-of-Center values of the party.
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Those % are very much bullshit but I support the message. Vote out the fascist party.
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