"We weren't sufficiently fascist"
this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2024
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And the more fascist they become, the more unelectable. I think they kind of have to finish being consumed by Farage and lose a few times to learn it.
Is this comment not somewhat of an oxymoron? People moved to reform because they're more right wing than the Tories.
Moving further to the right will enable them to mop up the reform vote and this election show that the Tories still have a HUGE core vote.
Sure but it's at the sacrifice of all the moderate votes. The conservative party was always a weird amalgamation of right of center and varying degrees of extremism. That big problem with reform is that they took all the extremists away leaving them only with the moderates, so obviously they chased after the extremists. This didn't help them one jot and then they lost the moderates because of their extremist attitudes.
As a result they hemorrhaged voters from both camps.
They are still continuing to chase the hard right extremist option, so they will continue to lose voters.
I'm still of the opinion that this wasn't an election based on policy, it was an election based on party gate, Lizz Trusses disaster budget and the cost of living crisis.
This was a tactical vote to punish the Tories, I think very few people were thinking they'd vote Tory if only they were a little less right wing. There's still a considerable proportion of people that blame crime and being poorer on migrants.
Libdem lady elected in my constituency literally had it on her leaflets - vote tactically for me to punish tories. And she won on that basis. Hope she will prove herself, lets see, but I agree with your assessment.
Their core are dying off and not being replaced. Also they are losing centre right voters who either vote Lab or Lib, or not at all. Further right they go, the worse that gets.
I understand your point but seeing that labours vote share only increased by 1.7% shows that very few Tories are moving left or centre. Most Tories either protest voted by moving to reform or they simply endorse policies further to the right.
Pretty sure Reform has plenty of x-labour racists too.
Centre Tories seam to have gone LibDems. Or not voted all.
Tory 2019 : 13,966,454 votes
Tory 2024 : 6,827,311 , Reform : 4,117,221
As she also favours bringing Farage into the Tory party...
She's been told what the problem is and she is still advocating to continue the non-working strategy, while saying that the actual problem is that the thing that has won them many many elections in the past, is in fact the wrong way to go.
Got to hand it to her, she doesn't like reality, critical thinking or common sense get in the way of her desires.
Her idiotic strategy?
Good to see she has learnt all the wrong lessons from that and her pitch for leadership is "we need to be more awful".
Yes, pretty amusing form of copium from Braverman.
The fault lines are appearing in the Tories over what the new incarnation of the party is going to be. Broadly it seems like it's going to be Kemi Badenoch with a more traditional, philosophically grounded version of the party (Roger Scruton style), on one side. Then on the other we've got Suella Braverman who is wanting to reclaim the Reform vote by becoming a more European style populist party. Steve Baker, self described "brexit hard man" (lol) was making noises about running but realistically it will be one of the other two that will have the base within the party to make a proper run for leader of the opposition.
I suspect there could have been a 3rd option for the one nation conservatives if Penny Mordaunt had kept her seat but unfortunately the more centrist tories seemed to lose more seats than the right wing hardcore.
Then on the other we’ve got Suella Braverman who is wanting to reclaim the Reform vote by becoming a more European style populist party.
She's said how she'd like to welcome Farage into the Tory Party. I'm not sure that is still viable after some of his statements during the election but if she is intent in doubling down in the nasty party angle it might. So if she wins, and the membership tends to skew towards the awful.end of the spectrum, I wouldn't be surprised at merger negotiations which I bet Farage would jump at as it gives him his road to greater power.
Yeah, he hasn't been very good at hiding the fact that he basically wishes he was a Tory. A lot of his speeches regarding the subject sound like a jilted lover emphasising how "over it" they are.