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I'm not going to remove a community for pushing back against a system that forces them to vote for genocide.

I don't think that not voting is the answer, but I also don't think that me telling people they're not allowed to feel differently is the answer. The majority of the people in that community will be forced to live with the consequences of their votes. They will be directly targeted by Trump. And if they still feel that pushing back against genocide in Palestine is more important than the consequences of Trump on their very own personal safety, I'm not going to stand in the way of that.

This isn't outside trolls and agitators. This is a community of folk, directly in the line of fire, choosing to stand there for a cause they see as important. As long as their intentions are genuine (which I believe they are), It's not my place to tell them that they're not allowed to take that stand.

That being said, I am going to reach out to the staff there, and address the insults and the like being thrown at other users. It's against both the community rules, and against the Blahaj Zone Community Guidelines.

Have you tried blocking the community instead of interacting with it? There’s plenty of communities I block because I think they’re dumb and annoying, or because the moderation team is a train wreck.

“It’s transphobic to think Joe Biden is a genocide enabling asshole because that means you support not voting for him which means you support Trump getting elected which means you support transphobic policies and this should be banned from Blahaj” is a series of assumptions built on assumptions, most of which are bad faith and work backwards from wanting the community banned. Demanding a trans admin ban them for transphobia when what you want them banned for is bad politics is tasteless at best, and comes off as manipulative.

Before anyone gets a bug up their ass about if I vote blue enough, I live in a large city in California. We are more likely to see the sun explode than for my elector to vote for anyone other than a Democrat, which I think is ultimately the least bad option that is likely to happen between now and November (but is still a bad system because we need ranked choice).

After going on over for a look around I agree with you.

Not voting is horrendously dangerous for the most vulnerable groups especially in this upcoming election.

I've been in that community pushing to reluctantly vote for Biden and I haven't been banned! In fact, I don't see a ton of "don't vote for Biden" stuff, mostly just "Biden sucks" stuff. Perhaps you're dividing things into sides to aggressively.

I agree they're a little trolly and definitely inflame, which I don't like, but calling it transphobic requires quite the leap of logic.

Tbh I think the guy drank the flavor aid. I saw how that dude started out and iirc he started with more reasonable political stances; but he's gone way off the rails. If he's who I think he is, then I feel kinda feel bad for him. He wasn't always like this.

Meanwhile, OP is making some pretty gross transphobic jokes about suicide on .world

https://lemmy.ca/comment/10095468

It's disgusting. You're telling people that if they're opposing a genocide, they might as well kill themselves.

No lmao

Oh yeah, that community is horrible. I saw a ton of their posts popping up on my feed and made a comment on there before blocking it (some question about the heavy advocacy for voter apathy) and was immediately banned.

@[email protected] I've been banned from Liberty Hub as of 9 hours ago. My only interaction with the sub lately is this post here and the comment I left in the linked thread. The ban reason is "off topic", which is not a Liberty Hub or Blahaj rule. 9 hours ago is also when the thread I linked seems to have been deleted by the Liberty Hub mods, and was replaced with another thread with a near-identical image and near-identical title. The only motivation for the ban I can see is for criticising the community, and the only motivation for deleting the post I can see is to hide evidence of the behaviour I describe in the post.

Liberty Hub's 8th rule is that open discussion should be encouraged and bad faith attacks should be prevented. I believe a moderator is breaking their own community's rules in their moderator actions, while banning users for reasons that have nothing to do with the community rules. If Liberty Hub's stated rules have nothing to do with the actions taken by moderators, then there can be no oversight from the admin team to prevent instance rule violations. I believe the guideline of empathy has already been broken, and has been broken on an ongoing basis for months. The moderators of this community have gone rogue. They are not respecting the instance or even their own community's values.

I got banned there for staying I thought I was on hexbear

Eh, maybe not ban, but like, remind them that this a community space, and that they should moderate and remove commenters/posters who are being actively toxic or harassing people for disagreeing.

Like, I’m not fan of Biden or the neoliberal order, but what is going on there isn’t doing anything constructive. Even if they don’t intend it, the way that space is moderated, it’s a potential harbor for bad faith trolls.

It is all spite, no solutions or discussions of means of action. Just “we sure do hate this particular side of the two ruling parties.”

The community is not made up of transphobes or accelerationists so there is no problem. I don't post or comment there because I don't see the point in taking the time to write or make something for an echo chamber that will just remove my comment or post. But just because I don't agree with every take in that community doesn't mean it doesn't have value.

Yes, this place was very obviously a right wing propaganda community from the first day I saw it. It's amazing so many otherwise smart leftists and progressives continue to fall for this mindless contrarian nonsense. These are trolls trying to divide us, and it's incredibly obvious to me.

I appreciate the recommendation, that sounds like a fun community!