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Have you tried blocking the community instead of interacting with it? There’s plenty of communities I block because I think they’re dumb and annoying, or because the moderation team is a train wreck.
“It’s transphobic to think Joe Biden is a genocide enabling asshole because that means you support not voting for him which means you support Trump getting elected which means you support transphobic policies and this should be banned from Blahaj” is a series of assumptions built on assumptions, most of which are bad faith and work backwards from wanting the community banned. Demanding a trans admin ban them for transphobia when what you want them banned for is bad politics is tasteless at best, and comes off as manipulative.
Before anyone gets a bug up their ass about if I vote blue enough, I live in a large city in California. We are more likely to see the sun explode than for my elector to vote for anyone other than a Democrat, which I think is ultimately the least bad option that is likely to happen between now and November (but is still a bad system because we need ranked choice).
Man, why didn't I think of preventing political propaganda from reaching people by ignoring it. What a good idea!
Memes from someone whose takes you don’t like isn’t the same thing as propaganda and it certainly doesn’t make the community transphobic. If you can’t live with seeing it, block it. There is real, honest to god, paid for with billionaire cash political propaganda targeting trans people out there, and that community ain’t it.
propaganda noun
1 : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions 2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person 3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause also : a public action having such an effect
Idead spread for the purpose of furthering a cause. I think Liberty Hub's anti-voting posts meet both definition 2 and definition 3. (Merriam Webster)
This post is propaganda, time to take it down, your rules not mine 🤷♂️
Yes, this post is propaganda. If you look closely at what I've been saying I don't have a moral opposition to propaganda. What I'm saying is propaganda needs to be taken seriously beyond the individual. This post isn't transphobic trolling, which is the thing I actually want removed.
Maybe you could link and report some of the transphobic trolling? That would speed along its removal. All the links I saw just had political memes.
Ada already cleaned it up. That's why the link in my post doesn't work.
Ada said she was dealing with insults to other users, I think she’d remember to mention transphobic trolling on the part of the mods.
If you’re not going to bother reading or responding to my criticism of the reach you had to go through to arrive at ‘anti-Biden = transphobic’, then I have no reason to continue the conversation.
I was mistaken. There's no modlog entry associated with deletion of the linked post. It seems the Liberty Hub mods deleted it themselves.
Counterpoint - these communities are a big part of a concerted right wing effort to divide the left by pushing an extremely insular and extremist version of left wing self parody. A lot of well meaning people buy into it initially and then don't have the moral courage to step away from it when they are shown its extremist side. That's why it is not very effective and very dangerous.
You are starting from a bad faith assumption and demanding everyone else do the same. The result is that queer people who don’t like Joe Biden (for very understandable reasons) can’t have any space to talk about that without being called propaganda and right wing trolls. You don’t seem to want the content to exist at all, rather than looking for specific evidence that this user or mod team is part of a right wing effort.
Blocking communities and users only makes bad actors more powerful because there are fewer voices pushing back against them. It's the internet version of sticking your head in the sand because you don't have the courage to confront evil.
Someone isn’t evil because they think Joe Biden is enabling genocide and that he sucks, Jesus. Y’all need to learn to be okay with other queer people not having your exact politics. Aim that kind of rhetoric and energy at people that are actually bigoted instead of just tearing down other queer people.
That's my thesis though. These are actual bigots and trolls painting themselves pink.
Okay, Ada had clearly said she doesn’t think that’s the case and you’ve offered zero proof other than random accusations, so I don’t think there’s any productive conversation to be had here.
What do you want, a secret post saying "haha here is my evil plan to subvert democracy by dividing the left!"