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Four Missouri elk hunters used [a stepladder] to climb over an invisible corner from one parcel of Bureau of Land Management terrain to another. They never touched a toe on two adjacent swaths of private property marked by “No Trespassing” signs.

But to the owner of that property, a North Carolina multimillionaire whose portfolio includes 22,000 acres of this game-rich mountain, the hunters’ aerial corner-cross was trespassing all the same. Whether he is correct — and the extent to which private property rights can thwart the public’s ability to access its land on thousands of similar corners — is now being weighed by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit in Denver.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So for the record this is actually a HUGE problem in the US. Land is sold in grids and what large land owners are doing is just buying the land in a checker pattern; they can then refuse public access to the half of that land they don't even own by accusing people of tresspassing for crossing the corners. The result is huge land owners getting exclusive use of public land for free, and yes they do actually use that whole 50% of the land they haven't even paid for.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A full on right to roam is probably a bit extreme, but I could see a minimal right of way being required around public lands.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It works fine in Scotland, buffalo buffalo buffalo it just has exceptions for, well its a bit undefined but it basically means peoples gardens, industrial estates, fields with delicate crops. I think the best way to describe it is you can go anywhere that hasn't been actively and greatly transformed for private use.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Whats the "buffalo buffalo buffalo " thing? I've seen it a couple times. Messing with data scrapers?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thats exactly the buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo reason. When placed right humans can also just skip over it very easily.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I figured. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fuck private property. Imagine "owning" 22k acres of the Earth that you do nothing with and the get pissy when people crossed it. Owning land is starting to become this dated concept as the population grows and the available land on Earth doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We need people to not be allowed to own 22,000 acres of land.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago