When broken down into party lines, 15 percent of Republicans think he is guilty while 64 percent do not
Proving once again that the vast majority of conservatives are completely beyond help
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Curious how many of those 64% know what they're saying he's not guilty of.
“Anything”
"Everything."
Approximately 0%
They are loyal to the Criminal Orange Conman, not the US Constitution and the judicial system the Constitution establishes. They don't care about truth and facts and they don't understand how the criminal justice system, especially with a jury, is designed to get at the truth of a matter. The bar of beyond a reasonable doubt is very high and they don't understand that. These people have not taken the time to educate themselves about these concepts and the truth about a public criminal trial. It dangerously erodes against the rule of law and our democracy. This crime was to influence the 2016 election and dupe voters. The Felonious Fakester preys on their ignorance and they let him do it to them. But what do you expect from an adjudicated rapist and his codependent fanatics who can't face the music? It's hard to stop when you've sunk tens, or hundreds, or thousands of dollars into a cause that you so firmly believed in. Populism's a tough drug to quit.
Please address him by his proper title:
Convicted felon Donald Trump
Convicted Felon and Twice Impeached Donald Trump
Convicted felon, sexual abuser and twice impeached Donald Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-verdict-05-09-23/index.html
Republicans: "yep that's our holy saviour"
Technically not ‘convicted’ until sentenced but that days is coming.
IANAL but dictionary.com disagrees with you.
^ proven or declared guilty of an offense, especially after a legal trial
Some disinformation troll is conflating convict (as in the act of convicting) with the common usage of convict (someone currrently serving their sentence) and a bunch of people are falling for it.
My guess is once that is finally put to rest my guess is the next one will be claiming he isn't really convicted until he exhausts all his appeals or some other magical fairy tale.
Oh there are folks already claiming the 'not until appeals' bit. Basically anything to calm the dissonance between 'law and order party' and 'convicted felon is out nominee'
Realistically, isn't that really the point where he actually faces any consequences?
He is and always will be a convicted felon from the moment is is convicted unless he is pardoned.
He will only be a convict whle is is serving his sentence.
If he lives long enough to finish his sentence he won't be a convict anymore, but will still be a convicted felon.
I'm glad the feds dropped this case and New York picked it up for the simple reason that a pardon could only come from the New York governor. It's not in the president's power to pardon state convictions, which may be important going forward.
Then he'll be a pardoned felon
No, then he will have been pardoned and no longer a felon (assuming every felony is pardoned)
A pardon is an admission of guilt.
He would no longer be a convicted felon if the conviction was overturned on appeal, but that unlikely scenario is the only future where he isn't a convicted felon
I'm interested in comparison between the 2 questions. 15% of Republicans think he's guilty, but 18% approve of the verdict. 86% of democrats think he's guilty but 88% approve of the verdict. That means that for both parties, there are at least a few people who think he's not guilty, but regardless approve of him being in legal trouble. I'd like to pick their brains and see what's up.
Sometimes people are happy that a criminal who commits crimes gets found guilty of something even if they aren't sure about the one they go down for. Or they just tilhink the system worked and he can always appeal.
I'm sure there are also a chunk of people in that poll that think he is guilty but also don't approve of the verdict because they think these charges are petty.
Would put some of that down to people making errors with checkboxes, comprehension issues & trolling.
But yeah, some people just like conviction regardless of their thoughts on a case.
They should be controlling for those things
It would be very rare not to do so.
Most poll results give the margins of error of the method(s) used. No idea if this one did or not, but 2% and 3% don't seem dramatic enough to not be explicable by margin of error issues.
What does that mean? You want them to just throw out data that they don't like?
YouGov and Morning Consult's polls are outside the realm of "useful" in terms of political reporting.
Thing about court cases is it doesn't matter what the public thinks about a jury decision. That's what elections are for; here, the determinations of exactly 12 people are all that counts.
Here's the one useful graf in the entire story:
A Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted between Thursday and Friday found that 5 percent of Republicans and 21 percent of independents said they are much less likely to vote for Trump because of the jury's ruling. Meanwhile, 30 percent of Republicans and 13 percent of independents said the verdict made them much more likely to vote for Trump. However, the majority of Republicans (55 percent), independents (58 percent), and Democrats (58 percent) said the verdict didn't change their minds on whether or not to vote for the former president.
Given the narrow outcomes in swing states in 2020, that 5% drop in GOP support is much larger than it sounds. Like, more than 11,000 votes that will need to be "found."
That said, national polls are functionally useless for presidential elections on account of the Electoral College. All registered Republicans in California could abandon Trump without moving the needle on the election outcome; how that 5% is distributed among states and territories is the news, but with this sort of sample size, further breakdowns would have minimal or zero confidence.
You can't say "suffers triple..." in a headline! MY heart skipped a beat before I read the following words
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Former President Donald Trump has suffered losses in three separate polls in the 48 hours since his guilty verdict in his Manhattan criminal trial.
A New York jury on Thursday found Trump, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, guilty on 34 counts of falsifying business records relating to a hush money payment made to adult film star Stormy Daniels by Trump's then-lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen shortly before the 2016 presidential election.
The poll surveyed 2,220 registered voters and had a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.
Meanwhile, Steven Cheung, Trump's campaign communications director, told Newsweek via email on Saturday, "President Trump has seen an outpouring support, which has led to polling increases and record-shattering fundraising numbers that include close to $53 million in just 24 hours, 30% of those who are new donors."
Partners poll taken after Thursday's verdict, which found that Trump's approval rating was up by 6 percentage points compared to those who disapproved.
The poll surveyed 403 likely voters from Thursday to Friday and had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percent.
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