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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

I have a suspicion that Klingons would consider not being your true self dishonorable, so of course they'd be accepting of trans people.

edit: It looks like there's a Romulan petaQ among us. Your bigotry will not serve you well here.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Probably. I also believe that they would truly honor someone who went through a difficult, painful journey in order to realize - and become - who they really are.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

They would sing songs of their struggle and subsequent conquest and glory!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Some day, we’ll get a Trek series that treats LGBTQ folx as people rather than set-pieces, and, perhaps, we will hear those songs…

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

What's SNW and even DSC then? I'm confused how main characters like Ortegas and Stamets are "set-pieces"? I do really hope they bring back Captain Angel though, what a great baddie (you love) haha.

Super excited to see more ofc, even a captain =]

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (11 children)

The Bat’leth knows no gender, only blood.

If anyone had a problem it might be the Ferengi watching (Fe)Males putting on clothes and doing business, but they’d just figure out a fine to levy and keep the latinum moving.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Depends on where they're hypocritical or not. In real life, queer culture is entirely about making less restrictive laws regarding morality. The "small government" types should absolutely be locking arms at Pride Parades, but the Pride Gadsden is a rarity.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I love this.
Also hilariously illustrates the obsession of so many people over genitals instead of seeing the person having them.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago

I named my cat Dax after Jadzia. He's a boy and we kept his first name from the adoption centre, so now he's Nelson Dax - I thought about this very scene when we chose the name. Such a heartwarming exchange

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

If there are any trans people here, did that scene mean a lot to you when you saw it?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Both of my teenage children and I happen to be non-binary. The scene in Discovery where Adira is semi-asleep at a console and Culber comes in using the wrong pronouns to refer to Adira, and Stamets corrects him and tells him Adira uses they/them pronouns, and Culber shifts seamlessly into it and the two of them have an entire conversation about them...that scene legit had me squeeing. I'd never seen such an exchange happen in any show, and it was perfection. It was meant to show well-meaning allies who struggle with gender-neutral pronouns how simple they are to use and how meaningful and important it is to honor them because the people who use them are important.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

That's awesome! I am really happy for you and your kids that Star Trek did that for you.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I am neither trans, nor would I ever presume to speak on behalf of trans people. The reason I posted this is because, over the years, this specific meme has been presented repeatedly as evidence that Klingons are excepting of trans folks.

As such, I think it’s safe to assume that, yes, it carries meaning of (at least some) importance.

In that, I hope my own presentation here is thusly interpreted as an expression of goodwill.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess I was more hoping to hear people's stories about seeing that and what it meant to them when they first saw it. I like hearing how Star Trek inspires people and makes them feel more accepted.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Of course, sure. Sorry, I just wanted to clarify my motivation for posting, not to pre-empt anyone else from sharing!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your post was appreciated by all, I'm sure.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Awww ❤️

Except for the stan I seem to have picked up. Downvotes everything of mine. Given the posts/comments they dont hit, I suspect they’re on either sh.it just.works or hexbear based on a pattern analysis of which instances I post in and which instances are defederated from them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I read a book about the realization that 50% of other people won't like you, won't like what you say, your style or whatever. That's true to life and always good to have in your mind, so you don't let everything get on a personal level to you.

But there's always that one special idiot that may also stan you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

/s sent with silly kindness

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

My ex cried when watching this scene for the first time after coming out as trans

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

When I first saw this, I was in a different point in my life and didn't know who I was (I only knew I was angry and miserable), and I loved that Kor immediately accepted her. It made sense to me. I don't know if it was subconscious or not, I'll probably never know.

But I know I really love this scene now, and I'm grateful to the show writers and producers for including it, especially after learning about the uphill battle they faced to integrate themes like this. Inclusion matters and makes a difference, even if stupid assholes complain. It's a lovely scene, and I'm forever grateful.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So apparently this is a trans meme...

I was confused for a while

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)

It is. Dax was at one point in male when Kor met him then Dax got a new host that was female, and Kor, without hesitation, accepted her.

It may have been a bit oblique (it was the mid-90s), but this is the essence of accepting trans folk: accepting people for who they are, not your preconceptions of what they are.

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